Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 phải chăng là đối thủ xứng tầm của F22 Raptor

[wheatflourqn99]

Em xin có vài nhời thế này:
1. Động cơ không phải cứ khỏe là hơn nhau. Động cơ phải thiết kế để phù hợp với thiết kế tổng thể của toàn máy bay. Theo em biết T-50 không sử dụng AL-41F như cụ nào nói vì lực đẩy của nó lớn hơn yêu cầu của T-50!. Động cơ hiện tại của T-50 là I117, phát triển trên dòng AL-31F (AL-41F được phát triển cho 1.44, máy bay chiến đấu thế hệ 4,5 của MiG). Theo lời Saturn, phải 10 năm nữa mới phát triển xong động cơ hoàn toàn mới cho T-50.
2. Một thế hệ động cơ khoảng 10 năm (nhưng chắc bây h dài hơn do Mỹ, Nga không đú như thời chiến tranh lạnh nữa). Động cơ thế hệ sau hơn thế hệ trước chủ yếu là so sánh về mặt thông số tỉ số nén của compressor và nhiệt độ luồng khí trước tuabin. Hiện nay thế hệ 4,5 hay 5 cũng chỉ nói cho vui chứ không có nhiều đột biến so với thế hệ trước.
3. Thrust vector và afterburning bây h chẳng có gì là ghê ghớm. Động cơ phản lực dành cho máy bay chiến đấu nào cũng có.
4. Động cơ của F35 sức đẩy lớn do phải kéo thêm cái lift fan đằng trước do ăn chơi cất/hạ cánh thẳng đứng. Khi cất cánh, lực đẩy tại ống phụt và lift fan mỗi cái tầm 14 tấn. Lực đẩy lớn bao h cũng kèm theo bài toán nhiên liệu, bình chứa nhiên liệu....Bay vèo lên rồi hết nhiên liệu thì cũng tèo

Nói như thế thì sao Mẽo bỏ F22 mà chuyển qua F35

 

[Mazspeed]

Em đọc báo thấy bảo vì F22 đắt quá, F35 tính năng gần tương đương, thua có chút đỉnh mà giá rẻ hơn nhiều. Vả lại ngay bản thân F35 đã chả có đối thủ rồi thì việc cần F22 cũng có thể xem xét lại.

 

[babetnhe]

Hì hì em vừa lên núi tránh nắng 1 tuần xuống đã thấy cụ X-O bán thuốc cãi nhau rồi !
Mấy cái này em đọc mãi ở đây:
http://ttvnol.com/forum/quansu/1185082.ttvn
và ở đây rồi:
http://ttvnol.com/forum/quansu/1095209.ttvn

Em thì thấy thế này ạ: đây toàn do mấy thằng chào hàng nó nói chứ đã có ai kiểm chứng đâu mà biết nó hay dở thế nào.
Kiểu như: Isuzu: D-Max là nhất
Ford: Ranger là nhất.
Mitsu: Triton mới là nhất ...

Em thì bảo: Thằng cu nhà em nó thông minh , nhanh nhẹn ... chứ thằng cu nhà bác X hơi béo phì
Bác X thì bảo: Thằng cu nhà em nó khoẻ mạnh ... chứ thằng cu nhà bác nhè hơi còi ...

Bây giờ em có ý thế này: Bác nào khéo dụ được Mỹ với Nga nó vác 2 thằng này ra phang nhau trực diện cho anh em mình xem cho vui.
Bác nào giàu và có quan hệ thì mua luôn 2 thằng này về rồi anh em mình mang ra Mỹ Đình test phát cho biết thì tốt quá .

Còn em chả tin bố con thằng bán hàng nào hết á.
Ngày xưa lúc Việt Nam chưa bắn hạ B52 thì cả thế giới đều tin nó là bất khả xâm phạm, thằng nào dám bảo không phải xem Mẽo nó vả cho vỡ alô luôn.
Rồi nữa lúc Serbia chưa thui được con gà F117A cả thế giới cũng tin nó là tàng hình thật.
Sau đó thì sao nhỉ ??? âm thầm về hưu non . lãng phí ghê cơ giá mà bán thanh lý hàng mớ cho bọn Hàn, Đài , Nhật có khi gỡ gạc lại được khối ấy chứ nhỉ !
Em lại nghĩ đến chuyện cổ tích Chiếc áo của Hoàng đế bên Châu Âu hay là chuyện đồng bào Tây Nguyên đánh Pháp mà lúc đầu cứ tưởng nó không có máu ấy.

Em tào lao chút thôi các bác đừng chấp nhé.
À quên bác gì bảo máy bay Ngay rụng như sung ấy nhỉ ? cho em xin chút số liệu đáng tin cậy với nhé, còn máy bay Mỹ rơi ở Việt Nam ta thì em có số liệu của Mỹ rồi, chứ số liệu của ta thì không đáng tin lắm đâu, em biết thừa ​

 

[babetnhe]

À hay là bác nào xui bọn nó thử thế này xem sao:
Patriot PAC-3 Vs T50
S400 đồ lót Vs F22

Em đặt cửa S400 đồ lót .

 

[Kingpin]

Em đọc báo thấy bảo vì F22 đắt quá, F35 tính năng gần tương đương, thua có chút đỉnh mà giá rẻ hơn nhiều. Vả lại ngay bản thân F35 đã chả có đối thủ rồi thì việc cần F22 cũng có thể xem xét lại.

các bác nên chú ý 1 xíu giùm em là lâu nay F22 thường đc sử dụng vói cái tên F/A22 chứ hem phải chỉ F22 cũng như em F/A18
sinh ra là 1 em tiêm kích cơ mà thường chỉ đc sử dụng ở nhiệm vụ cường kíck là chính
và lại nhớ đến em cóc ghẻ F117 A . khả năng không chiến của em này quá tệ nên bây h em ấy chỉ đc sử dụng để ném bom và bắn tên lửa hành trình
tất nhiên chưa ai đc chứng kiến em F22 khả năng tác chiến ra sao ( tất cả đâu như mới chỉ xem trên phim là chính )
các bác cũng sẽ nói là multi role bây h là xu thế chung nên f22 cũng phải biết ném bom chứ
tuy nhiên với cái giá của f22 mà lại chỉ làm 1 em ném bom như hiện tại e rằng hơi quá phí
và với em f35 thì các bác nên nhớ là có 2 phiên bản f35
1 là không có vtol là F35 A giới thiêu từ năm 2006
2 là F35 B mới giớ thiệu
còn bản dành cho Hải quân đùng trên tầu sân bay thì tới nay chưa ai biết em nó sẽ dư lào cả
thế nhưng F35 vẫn chưa đc bên bộ quốc phìng công nhận hay đưa ra đơn đựt hàng chính xác mới chỉ có tý thông tin rò rỉ rằng sẽ mua 15 chiếc ( chưa rõ loại ) liệu em này có bị thành cái dự án Mig 144 không nhỉ?????

 

[khoaimon010]

vấn đề là 1 em này đã có sức đẩy là 15 tấn rưỡi mà 1 em T50 đã có 2 cái trong khi anh f35 có 1 cái sức đẩy 20 tấn
haizzzzzz
còn cái động cơ của f-35 thì cũng không hề là ý tưởng mới vì chính xác là yak 141 freestyle đã chơi loại động cơ đuôi tôm ấy roài

Tranh nuận về cái ni thì cũng còn rài rài lão ợ, vì sản phẩm bay nhanh nhất TG bi giờ vữn nà iêm Mig 25D với vận tốc 3,5M và cũng sử dụng động cơ nghiên cứu từ thập niên 60 của thế kỷ trước!

 

[Kingpin]

ơ cháu tưởng có mach 3.2 thôi mà tương đương với lão già Sr-71 chứ

 

[Mazspeed]

Hì hì em vừa lên núi tránh nắng 1 tuần xuống đã thấy cụ X-O bán thuốc cãi nhau rồi !
Mấy cái này em đọc mãi ở đây:
http://ttvnol.com/forum/quansu/1185082.ttvn
và ở đây rồi:
http://ttvnol.com/forum/quansu/1095209.ttvn

Em thì thấy thế này ạ: đây toàn do mấy thằng chào hàng nó nói chứ đã có ai kiểm chứng đâu mà biết nó hay dở thế nào.
Kiểu như: Isuzu: D-Max là nhất
Ford: Ranger là nhất.
Mitsu: Triton mới là nhất ...

Em thì bảo: Thằng cu nhà em nó thông minh , nhanh nhẹn ... chứ thằng cu nhà bác X hơi béo phì
Bác X thì bảo: Thằng cu nhà em nó khoẻ mạnh ... chứ thằng cu nhà bác nhè hơi còi ...

Bây giờ em có ý thế này: Bác nào khéo dụ được Mỹ với Nga nó vác 2 thằng này ra phang nhau trực diện cho anh em mình xem cho vui.
Bác nào giàu và có quan hệ thì mua luôn 2 thằng này về rồi anh em mình mang ra Mỹ Đình test phát cho biết thì tốt quá .

Còn em chả tin bố con thằng bán hàng nào hết á.
Ngày xưa lúc Việt Nam chưa bắn hạ B52 thì cả thế giới đều tin nó là bất khả xâm phạm, thằng nào dám bảo không phải xem Mẽo nó vả cho vỡ alô luôn.
Rồi nữa lúc Serbia chưa thui được con gà F117A cả thế giới cũng tin nó là tàng hình thật.
Sau đó thì sao nhỉ ??? âm thầm về hưu non . lãng phí ghê cơ giá mà bán thanh lý hàng mớ cho bọn Hàn, Đài , Nhật có khi gỡ gạc lại được khối ấy chứ nhỉ !
Em lại nghĩ đến chuyện cổ tích Chiếc áo của Hoàng đế bên Châu Âu hay là chuyện đồng bào Tây Nguyên đánh Pháp mà lúc đầu cứ tưởng nó không có máu ấy.

Em tào lao chút thôi các bác đừng chấp nhé.
À quên bác gì bảo máy bay Ngay rụng như sung ấy nhỉ ? cho em xin chút số liệu đáng tin cậy với nhé, còn máy bay Mỹ rơi ở Việt Nam ta thì em có số liệu của Mỹ rồi, chứ số liệu của ta thì không đáng tin lắm đâu, em biết thừa ​

Em dự là các kụ hơi coi thường khoa học kỹ thuật. Tất nhiên là khi lâm trận thật thì bên cạnh vũ khí, quan trọng còn là con người nữa. Như là cái máy bay, không chiến thì ngoài khả năng của chính cái máy bay đó ra thì còn là trình độ phi công, chiến thuật, chiến lược, hỗ trợ v.v và v.v. nó ảnh hưởng đến kết quả chiến đấu. Nhưng giả sử mọi thứ khác là như nhau, thì máy tính nó thừa sức đưa ra được loại nào sẽ chiếm ưu thế và đánh bại loại kia trên chiến trường. Đâu cần chờ mang ra đấu thử cơ chứ. Hãy đấu thử khi có 2 cái máy bay mà theo tuyên bố là ngang nhau về mọi phương diện kỹ thuật. Còn 1 cái kỹ thuật rõ là còn kém cái kia thì không nên cố. Kiểu như 1 ông đi Altis, 1 ông Camry. Dĩ nhiên nếu ông Altis lái giỏi hoặc liều hơn thì đi từ nhà đến cơ quan sẽ nhanh hơn. Nhưng điều đó không có nghĩa Altis có tốc độ cao hơn Camry.

 

[babetnhe]

@ Cụ Mazspeed: Em nào dám coi thường KHKT đâu cụ, chẳng qua so sánh mấy cái thông số kỹ thuật đó thì đau đầu lắm với lại có quá nhiều bác cãi nhau ỏm tỏi rồi nên em chỉ nôm na cho vui thôi.
Như cụ nói là khi tất cả các điều kiện là như nhau chỉ còn so sánh tính năng kỹ thuật thôi thì em nghĩ cũng chỉ là lý thuyết thôi chứ thực tế trên chiến trường nó khác.
Ví như đua xe F1 mọi đ/k các đội đua là như nhau khi mà Ferrari có 1 thời kỳ trội hơn cũng phải do sự đóng góp rất lớn của Shumakho. Bảo kiếm phải nằm trong tay anh hùng chứ vào tay tiều phu thì nó chỉ đem đi đốn củi.
Em nghĩ vũ khí Nga đưa vào tay Việt Nam dùng thì chuẩn chứ cho mấy thằng bán dầu nó dùng kể như vứt đi.
Vũ khí Mỹ thì thằng Do Thái dùng còn siêu hơn thằng Mỹ.

 

[Kingpin]

dƯng mà cụ bét nhè vui lòng cũng đừung tin vào số liệu của Mỹ đáy nhé
cái học thuật đếm xác của cái lũ ấy nó cũng nhảm vô cùng
nó không đơn thuần là cắt tai như hội rồng xanh bắc Hàn đâu

 

[babetnhe]

Thế cụ có số liệu về máy bay Nga bị bắn rơi ở Apganistan không ? Cho xin cái
Chứ em cóc tin mấy thằng trồng anh túc ấy bắn giỏi hơn các cụ ngư dân Thanh Hoá nhà mình hờ hờ
"máy bay đằng Đông các cụ già bắn đằng Tây" xét về kinh nghiệm chiến đấu là đúng quá còn gì: máy bay nó từ biển vào -đằng Đông mà là máy bay siêu âm nên nghe tiếng máy bay thì phải bắn đằng Tây đón đầu là quá chuẩn còn gì nhỉ !

 

[Kingpin]

trong 10 năm tại afganistan thì đã có 451 máy bay nga chính thức coi là bị rơi trong đó có 333 chiếc là trực thăng

1979
25 December 1979- An Il-76 heavy transport plane crashed into a mountain near the village of Kanzak (Northeast of Kabul) after being damaged by anti-aircraft artillery fire. Its pilot, 9-11 other crew members, 37 paratroopers and nine troops from unknown units were killed upon impact, leaving no survivors. Two vehicles in cargo, including a fuel truck, were also destroyed.[2]
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1980
7 February 1980- An-12 transport aircraft crashed on the outskirts of Kabul, killing its pilot.
13 February 1980- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was badly damaged by ground fire, and crashed in a botched emergency landing.
23 February 1980- An Mi-8TV Border guard helicopter was shot down, killing one passenger.
7 March 1980- An unidentified helicopter crashed due to a technical malfunction, killing one crew member.
10 March 1980- An Mi-8 transport helicopter crashed due to technical difficulties near the village of Kochek Qizil (Southwest of Mazari Sharif), killing two crew members.
23 March 1980- Su-17 fighter-bomber crashed due to either technical problems or poor weather conditions, killing its pilot.
9 April 1980- An Mi-8T transport helicopter, crashed due to either technical problems or poor weather conditions, killing two crew members.
11 April 1980- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near the remote village of Shindand, killing two crew members.
12 June 1980- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
20 July 1980- An Mi-10 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing three crew members.
23 July 1980- An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing two crew members.
23 July 1980- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
6 September 1980- An unidentified aircraft crashed due to either technical problems or bad weather, killing one crew member.
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1981
17 April 1981- An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
24 July 1981- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing four crew members.
5 September 1981- An Mi-8T transport helicopter was shot down, killing four crew members.
10 October 1981- An Mi-8MT transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
17 October 1981- An Mi-8T Board Guard helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
28 October 1981- An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing three crew members.
13 November 1981- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
18 November 1981- An Mi-8MT transport helicopter was shot down, killing two crew members.
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1982
10 March 1982- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
15 April 1982- An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one crew member.
17 May 1982- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
27 May 1982- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
13 June 1982- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near the village of Taghaz (245 km to the Southwest of Kandahar), killing two crew members.
10 July 1982- An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one crew member.
23 August 1982- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
7 October 1982- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
12 October 1982- An unidentified helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
24 October 1982- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
30 October 1982- An unidentified helicopter was shot down, killing three crew members.
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1983
4 January 1983- An unidentified helicopter was shot down near the village of Kholm (East of Mazari Sharif), killing one crew member.
15 February 1983- An An-12 was shot down while on approach to Jalalabad. The five crew members were killed.[3]
22 February 1983- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
5 June 1983- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two crew members.
19 July 1983- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
24 July 1983- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near Jalalabad, killing two crew members.
7 August 1983- An unidentified helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
9 September 1983- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 120 km South of Faizabad, killing one crew member.
16 September 1983- An Antonov An-12 transport plane was shot down, killing four crew members.
3 October 1983- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
18 October 1983- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near the Kajaki reservoir (Helmand province), killing two crew members.
25 October 1983- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
15 November 1983- An Mi-6 heavy transport missed the Soviet landing strip near the town of Kunduz and crashed due to a faulty tail rotor. Two crew members were killed.
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1984
16 January 1984- An Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
2 April 1984- An unidentified helicopter crashed either due to bad weather or a technical failure. One crew member was killed.
2 July 1984- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
5 July 1984- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
6 July 1984- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down on approach to its base (while returning from a mission). All three crew members were killed. It is possible that this helicopter was captured by Afghan guerrillas.
14 July 1984- An unidentified helicopter crashed. One crew member was killed.
6 August 1984- An unidentified helicopter was shot down. One crew member was killed.
27 August 1984- An unidentified helicopter was shot down. One crew member was killed.
19 September 1984- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing all three crew members in addition to a unit of paratroopers.
23 September 1984- An unidentified helicopter crashed. One crew member was killed.
16 October 1984- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down while landing a group of soldiers near the town of Baghlan. All three crew members and four disembarking troops were killed.
18 October 1984- An Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
18 October 1984- An unidentified helicopter (probably an Mi-24) was shot down, killing two crew members.
27 October 1984- An Il-76 heavy transport plane was shot down during landing, 20 km to the South East of Kabul. Five were killed.[4]
28 October 1984- An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down in the Panshir Valley, killing two crew members.
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1985
22 January 1985- An An-26 transport plane was shot down, killing one.
29 January 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down shortly after taking off from Kandahar, en route to Kabul, killing one crew member.
13 February 1985- An Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
11 March 1985- An An-30 transport plane was struck in the left engine by ground fire, causing a fire that began to spread. All non-essential crew members bailed out, while the Pilot and Co-Pilot remained, hoping to land the aircraft at Bagram Airport (near Kabul). The aircraft crashed 25 km from Kabul after the fire destroyed the aileron controls, and both were killed.
14 March 1985- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter collided with a VVS reconnaissance plane, killing three.
20 March 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down while transporting troops from Ghazni to Baraki(?). All five aboard were killed.
27 April 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 7 km away from its destination of Lashkargah while transporting troops. Three were killed.
18 May 1985- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down near the remote village of Bakarak, killing one.
21 June 1985- A MiG-23 fighter jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
21 June 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.
27 June 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter shot down, possibly with several troops on board. All those aboard were killed.
10 July 1985- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
11 July 1985- An unidentified ‘special missions’ aircraft was shot down, killing five.
25 July 1985- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
17 September 1985- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was attacked on the ground, killing one.
12 October 1985- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down 23 km South of Kabul, killing two.
13 October 1985- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
18 October 1985- An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one.
25 October 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 20 km to the Northwest of Kunduz, killing nine crew members and paratroopers.
1 November 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.
15 November 1985- An unidentified helicopter was shot down, killing one.
24 November 1985- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
6 December 1985- An Mi-8 transport helicopter shot down while transporting troops, killing seven.
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1986
18 January 1986- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
19 January 1986- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing all crew members and paratroopers aboard.
1 February 1986- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down West of Maymaneh, killing one.
21 April 1986- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing two.
31 May 1986- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down over Kabul airbase, killing two instantly while another died of his wounds six days later.
31 July 1986- Two Mi-8 medevac helicopters collided near Pagman, killing some of the injured passengers.
16 October 1986- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing two.
19 October 1986- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
29 November 1986- An An-12 transport plane was shot down while leaving Kabul Airbase en route to Jalalabad, transporting a contingent of newly-arrived Russian troops. All crew members (4-5) and all 27 passengers were killed.
26 December 1986- An An-26RT transport plane was shot down. All crew members bailed out, except the mechanic, who was killed either by the missile or in the crash.
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1987
12 January 1987- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
13 January 1987- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
21 January 1987- An unidentified aircraft crashed due to either technical problems or bad weather, killing one.
5 February 1987- An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one.
27 February 1987- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
4 March 1987- Two Mi-8 transport helicopters were shot down while searching for the pilots from the two Afghan Su-22s that had been downed earlier in the day. Both crews were killed. (Two escorting Mi-24s had been delayed)
23 March 1987- An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing two.
15 April 1987- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
21 April 1987- All crew members and 18 paratroopers when an Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 120 km north of Kandahar.
7 May 1987- Mi-8 transport helicopter crashed due to technical reasons or bad weather, killing four.
18 May 1987- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two.
5 June 1987- An Mi-8 Medevac helicopter carrying one wounded individual was shot down North of Kandahar, killing one.
24 June 1987- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
12 July 1987- An-12 delivering ammunition was hit by ground fire while landing at Kandahar airbase, killing four crew members and one person on the ground.
20 July 1987- An Su-22 was shot down near Gazni, killing one.
1 August 1987- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
13 September 1987- An-26 transport plane was shot down, killing one.
13 September 1987- An Su-22 strike jet was shot down, killing one.
29 September 1987- An unidentified helicopter was shot down near Kabul, killing one.
21 October 1987- An An-12 collided with an unidentified helicopter over Kabul Airbase due to the ground controller's error in clearing the helicopter for landing. All involved were killed, including 18 passengers aboard the An-12 who were en-route to Tashkent.
22 October 1987- An An-26 transport plane was shot down, killing two.
30 October 1987- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two.
23 December 1987- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.
[edit]
1988
17 January 1988- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing four.
6 February 1988- An Mi-8 transport helicopter on a search and rescue mission was shot down with several rescued personnel aboard, killing two and wounding 6.
16 February 1988- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
26 February 1988- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
29 February 1988- An Mi-24 attack helicopter shot down 10 km Southeast of Bagram, killing one.
20 April 1988- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
25 May 1988- An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
18 July 1988- An unidentified helicopter (possibly an Mi-8) was shot down, killing one.
21 August 1988- An Mi-24 attack helicopter shot down, killing its two-member crew.
4 September 1988- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.
30 September 1988- An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two.
1 October 1988- An Mi-8 transport was helicopter shot down, killing one.
[edit]
1989
7 January 1989- An Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
19 January 1989- An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing five.
2 February 1989- An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing both crew members.

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2010
June 25: An ISAF helicopter was involved in a hard landing in Kunar province, with no fatalities in the incident. Reports indicated the helicopter developed mechanical problems and the pilot was forced to make an emergency landing. The cause of the incident is under investigation.[1]
June 21: A US Army UH-60 Blackhawk crashed in northern Kandahar Province, killing three Australian Commandos and the US pilot, and injuring another seven Australians and a US crewman.[2][3][4]
June 9: A Sikorsky HH-60 Pave Hawk CSAR helicopter was shot down in Helmand province, killing 4 American airmen. [5][6][7]
May 21: A Westland Sea King carrying five troops was hit by an RPG and crash-landed in Nad-e Ali, Helmand Province. The five were injured but not seriously.[8]
May 14 An UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter made a hard landing in Kandahar Province causing injuries to several coalition and Afghan military personnel. It was destroyed on the site by ISAF members, apparently to prevent it from falling into insurgents’ hands.[9]
May 10 An MH-60 Black Hawk helicopter made a controlled landing after being hit by enemy fire in Helmand Province . All crewmembers have been safely returned to base. Helicopter was destroyed by international forces .[10]
April 9 A US Air Force CV-22 Osprey crashed near Qalat, Zabul Province, killing three US service members and one government contractor.[11] This is the first combat loss of an Osprey.[12]
March 31: US Navy E-2 Hawkeye surveillance plane stationed with the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower crashed in the Arabian sea at approximately 2 p.m. local time. It was returning to its ship after conducting operations in support of Operation Enduring Freedom when it experienced mechanical malfunctions and the crew performed a controlled bailout. The one U.S. crew member presumed missing was declared dead and three were rescued.[13]
March 28: A US Army UH-60 Black Hawk crashed in Zabul province in southern Afghanistan. 14 ISAF and Afghan service members was injured.[14]
March 23: A Turkish Army UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter experienced technical problems as it tried to land at a base in Midan Shar, the capital of Wardak province.It hit a hill as it was coming down and rolled over.[15]
[edit]
2009
December 3: A Polish Land Forces Mi-24V Hind attack helicopter was damaged after making an emergency autorotation landing immediately after taking off from Ghazni airfield in Afghanistan . The crew and passengers were not seriously injured. [16]
October 26: A US MH-47G Chinook crashed in Badghis province, in western Afghanistan reportedly due to low visibility caused by "thick dust stirred up" during takeoff at night[17][18], killing seven US servicemen and three US Drug Enforcement Administration agents. 14 Afghan and 11 American servicemen and one US DEA agent were injured in the crash.[19][20][21]
October 26: Two US helicopters collided in midair in southern Afghanistan, killing four US Marines and injuring two ISAF servicemen.[20] The helicopters were a UH-1N Twin Huey and a AH-1W SuperCobra from the USMC.[22][23]
October 17: A US UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter had crashed in search of the missing C-12 Huron.[24]
October 13: A US Army C-12 Huron twin-engine turboprop had crashed in Nuristan province. Its remnants were discovered on October 25, with three bodies of American civilian personnel. [24][25]
October 8: An Afghan National Army Air Corps Antonov An-32 S/N 354 crashed on landing in Southwestern Afghanistan.[26]
August 30: CH-47 Chinook( S/N ZA673) suffered a hard landing and was badly damaged in the Sangin area of Helmand province. The four crew and 15 soldiers from the 2 Rifles battlegroup were unharmed. [27]
August 25: A US Navy F/A-18C Hornet aircraft caught fire during maintenance at Kandahar airbase and was burnt out.[28]
August 20: A British CH-47 Chinook ( S/N ZA709) was shot down in the Sangin area of Helmand province. The crew survived.[29]
August 6: A Polish Land Forces Mi-24V Hind attack helicopter en route to Ghazni from Kabul was reported hit by heavy machine gun fire and forced to make a hard landing. Nobody aboard was injured.[30]
July 20: A British Royal Air Force GR4 Tornado fighter jet crashed at Kandahar air base during takeoff at 7:20 a.m., the two pilots were injured after ejecting from the aircraft.[31]
July 18: A U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jet crashed in central Afghanistan, killing the two crew members.[32]
July 7: A Canadian CH-146 Griffon crashed in Zabul, Afghanistan, killing 3 coalition soldiers.[33]
May 22: A US AH-64 Apache helicopter crashed near Tarin Kowt in Uruzgan Province. One crew member killed in the incident.[34]
May 14: A British Harrier GR9 jet crashed in Afghanistan the Ministry of Defence said. The pilot is believed to have suffered only minor injuries when he ejected from the aircraft after it crash landed at Kandahar airfield at about 10:30am local time. It is believed there were no other casualties. [35] [36]
January 17: A US CH-47 Chinook helicopter crashed in eastern Afghanistan. Small arms fire was involved. One US soldier was killed in the incident.[37]
January 16: A US UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter crashed in Afghanistan on the outskirts of Kabul. No deaths were reported.[38]
January 15: An Afghan army Mi-17 crashed in the Adraskan District of Herat province, killing all 13 on board, including General Fazaludin Sayar, the regional commander in charge of the western part of Afghanistan. The government declared the crash was due to bad weather, while the Taliban claimed to have shot the helicopter down.[39]
[edit]
2008
October 27: A US UH-60 Black Hawk was shot down in Wardak Province, with no fatalities.[40] Taliban forces claim to have used a Rocket-propelled grenade. The 10 soldiers onboard were rescued.
October 21: A United States Navy P-3 Orion reconnaissance and intelligence aircraft overshot the runway at Bagram Air Base while landing. The aircraft caught fire and was destroyed but the only injury to the crew was one broken ankle. The aircraft was from PATWING 5 from Naval Air Station Brunswick and was assigned to CTF-57 in Afghanistan.[41]
September 4: A British Army Air Corps Apache AH1 crashed shortly after takeoff in Helmand province. Both crew members were unhurt.[42]
August 8: United Arab Emirates Air Force C-130 Hercules (S/N 1212) Overran runway at Bagram Air Base, Kabul, burned. Parts salvaged.
July 2: A US UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter was shot down by RPG and small arms fire south of the Afghan capital in Logar province. The pilots were able to land the aircraft and evacuate everyone on board before it caught fire, another helicopter returned later and destroyed the wreckage with precision fire.[43]
June 25: A US-led coalition forces helicopter crashed in northeastern province of Kunar in Afghanistan, causing "minor injuries" to two soldiers on board.[44]
June 5: A US OH-58 Kiowa crashed at Kandahar Army Airfield, Afghanistan during a test flight killing the maintenance pilot and his crew chief. They were assigned to the 96th Aviation Support Battalion, 101st Combat Aviation Brigade.[45]
[edit]
2007
December 10: An Afghan army Mi-17 helicopter crashed in heavy fog about 70 kilometres southwest of Kabul, killing four soldiers.
September 25: A German CH-53G helicopter crash-landed in the border area between RC-North and West during a med-evac. No soldiers were killed during this incident. The helicopter was blown up by Norwegian and Latvian forces after they had spent two days under siege by Taliban forces.[citation needed]
September 25 Spanish Eurocopter AS332 SAR helicopter (S/N HD.21-6) overturned while trying to land during a mission to evacuate Afghan police wounded by a roadside bomb in the western province of Badghis. Helicopter written off.[46]
August 23: A RAF C-130 Hercules made a hard landing at night on an airstrip in Afghanistan. The Hercules, from 47 RAF Lyneham, was badly damaged and could not be recovered. It was blown up by British engineers so that sensitive equipment would not fall into enemy hands. No casualties were reported.[47][48]
August 21: An Italian AB-212 helicopter crashes while attempting an emergency landing due to technical problems, 3 Italian soldiers wounded.[49]
May 30 : A US CH-47 Chinook was shot down, possibly by a rocket-propelled grenade in the upper Sangin valley, killing 5 American, one British and one Canadian soldiers.[50][51]
February 18 : A US MH-47 Chinook from 2-160th SOAR carrying 22 U.S. servicemen crashed in Zabul Province, killing 8 and injuring 14.[52]
[edit]
2006
September 2: A British Nimrod MR.2 aircraft crashes near Kandahar, killing 14 crewmembers.
August 31: A Dutch F-16A Block 20 MLU fighter crashes near Ghazni, killing the pilot.[53]
July 2: A US AH-64 Apache out of Kandahar air base crashes, killing one pilot CW3 William Timothy Flanigan and injuring the other.[54]
June 11 A US CH-47 Chinook helicopter 91-0497 suffered emergency landing in Helmand Province.Aircraft subsequently deliberately destroyed by coalition airstrike.[55]
May 24: A RAF C-130 Hercules (XV206) crashes while landing at a dirt landing strip outside the town of Lashkar Gar. All nine crew and 26 passengers aboard safely evacuated, but the airframe burned out.
May 5: A US CH-47 Chinook helicopter crashed in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan, killing all 10 U.S. soldiers on board.
April 28: A US AH-64 Apache helicopter crashed north of Qalat, Afghanistan. Pilot survived with minor injuries, while co-pilot/gunner 1LT Daniel McConnell suffered a traumatic amputation of right arm.[56]
[edit]
2005
December 4: A CH-47 Chinook helicopter 91-00269 was struck by small arms fire.There were two injuries and the aircraft was consumed in thepost-landing fire.[57]
October 31: A Dutch CH-47D Chinook helicopter, D-104, made a hard landing after losing power in cruise flight. There were several injuries and the aircraft was destroyed by Dutch troops after salvaging usable parts.[58]
October 22: UH-60 Black Hawk crashes in Oruzgan province, injuring three.[59]
October 14: An RAF Harrier GR7A was destroyed and another had been damaged in a rocket attack by Taliban forces while parked on the tarmac at Kandahar. No one was injured in the attack. The damaged Harrier was repaired at the airfield while the destroyed one was replaced by another fighter which flew out from Britain on the same evening.[60]
October 7: A MH-47E Chinook helicopter, 89-00160, of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment was destroyed in an accident but all crew members emerged virtually unscathed. [61]
September 25: Five US soldiers were killed when a CH-47 Chinook helicopter crashed in Zabul province while returning from an operation.[62] Though initially reported as an accident, the crash was later confirmed to have been caused by hostile fire.[63]
August 16: Seventeen Spanish soldiers were killed when their Cougar AS532 helicopter crashes near Herat. A second Spanish helicopter made an emergency landing, injuring five soldiers. The crash was reported as an accident, although witnesses said they receive AAA fire from a nearby village.
July 29: A US AH-64 Apache helicopter crashed near Baghram airbase.The crew survived.
July 27: A Dutch CH-47D Chinook helicopter, D-105, crashed in a landing incident in a brownout while inserting troops. No injuries but the aircraft was written-off.[58]
June 28: A US CH-47 Chinook helicopter was shot down in Kunar province by Taliban commander Qari Ismail, killing all 16 US Special Forces servicemen on board. The US military says it was shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade. It was a rescue mission for Operation Red Wing a team of 4 SEAL members, pinned down by Taliban gunmen.[64][65]
June 25: A Special Forces RAF Hercules carrying the new British ambassador in Afghanistan caught fire after setting down at a landing strip outside the town of Lashkar Gah in Helmand Province. No casualties reported.[66]
June 22: U-2 spyplane crashes at Al Dhafra Air Base in the UAE on return from a mission in Afghanistan, killing the pilot.[67]
April 6: A US CH-47 Chinook helicopter crashed in a sandstorm near Ghazni, killing all 15 American soldiers and three civilian contractors.
[edit]
2004
December 16: A US OH-58 Kiowa crashes north of Shindand, in Afghanistan's Herat province, injuring its two pilots.[68]
October 20: HH-60 Pave Hawk N87-26014 crashes during a med-evac injuring four onboard.
August 29: A Dutch AH-64D Apache, designation Q-20, crashes near Kabul, slightly injuring one crew member.[69]
August 12: UH-60 Black Hawk crashes in Khost province, killing one soldier and injuring fourteen.
June 28he crew of an AH-64DApache helicopter escaped with minor injuries after being forced to make an emergency landing north of Qalat.The aircraft caught on fire and was completely destroyed. [70]
[edit]
2003
November 23: MH-53 Pave Low helicopter crashed shortly after leaving Bagram Air Base, killing four U.S. airmen and one U.S. soldier[71].
November 6: UH-1N Huey crashes at Kandahar air base Camp Rhino[72].
June 3: A US AH-64 Apache helicopter (N 89-0258) crashed near Urgun Paktika Province.The crew survived.
April 23: A US CH-47 Chinook helicopter (N 90-0217) suffered hard landing in Spinboldak area .The crew survived.
March 23: HH-60 Pave Hawk crashes in Afghanistan, killing six on board.
January 30: UH-60 Black Hawk crashes 7 miles east of Bagram Air Base, killing four.
January 8: A US helicopter (type unknown) crashes in Kunar province, killing five Americans and two Afghans[73].
[edit]
2002
December 21: CH-53G crashed in Kabul, killing seven German soldiers.
December 19: F-16A Block 20 MLU fighter overran a runway at Bagram airbase and landed about 500 meters away in a mine field.The Danish Air Force pilot was evacuated to a US Army hospital.[74]
November 1: Two CH-47 Chinook helicopters collided in Afghanistan.One of them crashed ,another was repaired later[75]
August 13: A US AH-64 Apache helicopter crashed about 20 miles south of Kabul.The crew survived.[74]
August 13: HH-60 Pave Hawk crashed in Urgun, injuring six onboard. A civilian wounded in an ambush had been taken from the eastern town of Khost to a U.S. medical team in Urgun, and the Air Force helicopter was leaving when the accident occurred.[76]
June 12: MC-130H Combat Talon crashed in eastern Afghanistan, killing three of the ten service members aboard[77].
April 11, AH-64 Apache crash-lands outside of Kandahar.[78]
March 4: Two CH-47 Chinook helicopters were hit by RPGs and gunfire during Operation Anaconda. Two were killed in the first helicopter, which was dropping off a SEAL team. The second Chinook came in later that day to try and rescue the crew of the first CH-47, and subsequently was shot down, killing four.
February 13: MC-130P Shadow crashed in eastern Afghanistan. There were no casualties.[79]
January 28: CH-47 Chinook crashed in eastern Afghanistan due to a brownout, injuring 14 soldiers.
January 20: CH-53E from HMM-361 crashed 40 miles south of Bagram air base killing two Marines on board[80].
January 9: A KC-130 Hercules tanker crashed into a Pakistani mountain, killing seven Americans on board.
[edit]
2001
December 12: A US B-1 Lancer bomber returning from a mission over Afghanistan crashes 30 miles north of Diego Garcia. All 4 crew members eject safely.[81]
December 6: UH-1N Huey crashes at Kandahar air base, two Marines suffered minor injuries.[82]
November 20: MH-6J crashed at a base, wounding 4 on board.
November 2: MH-53 Pave Low crashed on a special operations mission in northern Afghanistan due to bad weather, injuring four on board.
October 19: UH-60 Black Hawk crashed at Dalbandin air base in Pakistan, killing two U.S. Army rangers. The cause was brownout from dust kicked up by the helicopter rotor.[83]
[edit]
Contract aircraft, non-military aircraft losses
June 4, 2010: A L-100-30 Lockheed Hercules (Leased from Transafrik Registration S9-BAT) sustained substantial damage in a landing accident at Sharana AB, Afghanistan. The airplane came to rest beside the runway. The number 4 propeller separated from the engine and the undercarriage was pushed up into the wheel wells.[84]
May 30, 2010: A Mi-8 contract helicopter made a hard landing in the Jaji district of Paktiya Province . A civilian on the ground was killed when he was struck by debris, and three crew members received minor injuries.[85]
May 17, 2010: An An-24 passenger plane, operated by Pamir Airways, crashed in a mountain pass approximately 13,500 feet (4,100m) in Shakar Darah district, Kabul Province. 44 passengers killed.[86]
May 2, 2010: A Mi-8 helicopter (EX-40008) under contract for NATO forces in Afghanistan crashed during emergency landing at FOB Kalagush,Nuristan . Crewmembers injured during the incident.[87]
April 25, 2010: A Bell 214 helicopter under contract for NATO forces made an emergency landing, due to mechanical problems suffered during the flight, in Farah Province . No one was injured during the incident.The helicopter caught fire after the crewmembers and passengers left the helicopter. Due to the fire damage the helicopter was deemed unrecoverable.[88]
March 1, 2010: A Airbus A300 cargo plane operating for DHL Airways leased from ACT Airlines reportedly registered TC-ACB, suffered a landing mishap at Bagram Air Base , Afghanistan. It came to rest on the left runway shoulder of runway 03, approximately 500 ft north of taxiway Charlie and just south of the 3000 feet remaining distance marker.It has been reported that the airplane suffered a collapse of, presumably the left hand, main undercarriage.Aircraft written off.[89]
November 23, 2009: A Mi-8 helicopter under contract for NATO forces crashed in eastern Logar province.Three Ukrainians were killed in the crash. Helicopter belonged to Air Freight Aviation(UAE).[90]
July 19, 2009: A Mi-8 helicopter under contract for NATO forces in Afghanistan crashed at Kandahar air base, killing 16 people and wounding five others. Helicopter belonged to Vertikal-T (Russia). [91]
July 14, 2009: A Mi-26 helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan, killing the six Ukrainian crewmembers. The aircraft belonged to Pectox-Air, a Moldovan aviation firm.[92]
February 14, 2008: A Kazakhstan registered (UN-76020) IL-76 operated by Asia Continental Airlines damaged beyond repair after an engine fire in Kandahar Airport.[93]
December 3, 2006: A Mi-26 helicopter under contract with Dyncorp, a US security company, crashes in Afghanistan, killing eight Russian crew.Helicopter belonged to Vertikal-T (Russia).[94]
July 27, 2006: A chartered Mi-8 helicopter with 16 passengers and crew crashes en route from Khost to Kabul, killing all on board including 2 Dutch ISAF soldiers.[95]
April 24, 2006: An An-26 leased by the US State Department and carrying US DEA agents crashes on landing at Bost airport in Lashkar Gah, killing the two Ukrainian pilots and two young girls on the ground. The plane attempted to avoid a truck during landing[96]
November 11, 2005: A Georgian registered IL-76 operated by Pakistan's Royal Airlines, on charter to carry food for coalition troops, crashes near Khak-e-Shahidan village, about 30 kilometres (19 miles) northwest of Kabul, killing all 8 crew members (5 Russians, 2 Ukrainians and 1 Pakistani)[97]
April 25, 2005:: A Kazakhstan registered (UN-11003) Antonov An-12 cargo plane swerved off the runway at Kabul Airport. Five of the six crew members were slightly injured.Aircraft written off.[98]
December 30, 2004: A Moldovan registered (ER-IBM) IL-76 operated by Airline Transport crashed in Kabul Airport at 03:48.[99]
November 27, 2004: A US Registered CASA 212 contracted by the US Department of Defense to supply American forces deployed in remote areas of Afghanistan entered a box canyon and struck the 14,650 foot level of Baba Mountain, which has a peak elevation of 16,739 feet. The flight was about 25 nm north of the typical route between Bagram and Farah. All six occupants were killed[100]
February 22, 2004: AB-212 helicopter crashed after coming under fire 65 kilometres south-west of the southern city of Kandahar.Pilot Mark Burdorf, 45 killed. Helicopter belonged to Pacific Helicopters(Australia)[101]

tổng cộng 93 chiếc bao gồm 72 là trực thăng

 

[babetnhe]

Cho nốt cái bẳng kiểm kê đồng nát 2 bên sau chiến tranh Triều Tiên đê hê hê !

 

[Estonque]

Em thích Sukhoi => PAK FA T-50 kiểu gì cũng phải hơn F22. Em thề

 

[Kingpin]

riêng về khoản linh hoạt thì sukhoi hơn F
điều này đã đc chứngminh với cobra pugachev
riêng về các thiết bị điện tử có thể ngang ngửa nhưng anh mỹ có vè hay nổ hơn
về con ng : cái này hên xui
nói chung chê stạo đc 1 cái giá bằng 1/3 mà công dụng = 1/2 thôi đã là thắng mợ nó rồi cần gì phải bàn đàng này lại ngang ngửa thế thfi
điên!

 

[khoaimon010]

Một thằng thì đã được sử dụng, chứng mih trên chiến trường (1 rắc, Áp Ga), một thằng thì mới bay tập: Theo các kụ thì thằng nào hơn?

 

[Kingpin]

nhưng đc sử dụng với tư cách 1 anh ném bom chứ hông phải tiêm kích
F/a 22 hi hi số phận lại giống em cóc già F117-A
cả đòi chỉ đi ném bom

 

[Mèo sạch thỉu]

riêng về khoản linh hoạt thì sukhoi hơn F
điều này đã đc chứngminh với cobra pugachev
riêng về các thiết bị điện tử có thể ngang ngửa nhưng anh mỹ có vè hay nổ hơn
về con ng : cái này hên xui
nói chung chê stạo đc 1 cái giá bằng 1/3 mà công dụng = 1/2 thôi đã là thắng mợ nó rồi cần gì phải bàn đàng này lại ngang ngửa thế thfi
điên!

Đồ điện tử của Nga ngố chưa bao h liệt vào hàng gấu cả .. chả nói đến Mẽo, hàng Do Thái, Pháp .. nó cũng ăn đứt rồi. Cứ cầm trong tay một thiết bị điện tử nào đó của a Ngố thì thấy nó ngố đến mức nào .. tuy nhiên sau khi mở cửa khoảng cách ngày càng gần nhau hơn.
Độ nổ thì hai chú ngang nhau nhưng a Ngố kém hơn cái khoản PR nên bán được ít hàng hơn.
Không chiến BVR theo xu hướng chiến tranh hiện đại thì tính cơ động kiểu biểu diễn như mấy chú ngố ít được đánh giá cao lắm.
Trình độ phi công lại là một tệ hại nữa của a Ngố khi h bay của phi công chiến đấu còn lâu mới đạt chuẩn Nato, thấy bảo phi công Hàn, Do thái, Mẽo ... được đào tạo kĩ càng nhất thì phải.
Nói chung cứ lôi nhau ra choang nhau trực diện mới nc phải trái được... quảng cáo bao h cũng chỉ là quảng cáo

 

[Mèo sạch thỉu]

Một thằng thì đã được sử dụng, chứng mih trên chiến trường (1 rắc, Áp Ga), một thằng thì mới bay tập: Theo các kụ thì thằng nào hơn?

Độ cuồng tín hàng a Ngố còn cao lắm ở những nước XHCN dùng nó trong chiến tranh thực tế cụ ợ ... cũng như mấy chú Sing e gặp nó lại sùng hàng Tây Âu mà nó đang dùng .. coi chú Ngố chả ra gì .. cũng là chuyện thường thôi

 

[SVC]

Đồ điện tử của Nga ngố chưa bao h liệt vào hàng gấu cả .. chả nói đến Mẽo, hàng Do Thái, Pháp .. nó cũng ăn đứt rồi. Cứ cầm trong tay một thiết bị điện tử nào đó của a Ngố thì thấy nó ngố đến mức nào .. tuy nhiên sau khi mở cửa khoảng cách ngày càng gần nhau hơn.
Độ nổ thì hai chú ngang nhau nhưng a Ngố kém hơn cái khoản PR nên bán được ít hàng hơn.
Không chiến BVR theo xu hướng chiến tranh hiện đại thì tính cơ động kiểu biểu diễn như mấy chú ngố ít được đánh giá cao lắm.
Trình độ phi công lại là một tệ hại nữa của a Ngố khi h bay của phi công chiến đấu còn lâu mới đạt chuẩn Nato, thấy bảo phi công Hàn, Do thái, Mẽo ... được đào tạo kĩ càng nhất thì phải.
Nói chung cứ lôi nhau ra choang nhau trực diện mới nc phải trái được... quảng cáo bao h cũng chỉ là quảng cáo

Í thế mờ tại sao mấy vụ đánh trận giả ở Ấn, SU 30 vs F15.
F15 của Mèo bị SU 30 Ấn nó bóp cổ chít ằng ặc.
Pilot Mèo thừa nhận vậy.
Pilot Ấn chắc chẳng thể bay hay bằng pilot Ngố.
Không chiến bi giờ toàn ngoài tầm nhìn, tất nhiên không nhòm bằng đồ thì nhòm bằng niềm tin ah ???
Dư vầy lý giải là làm sao hở Mèo bửn ???

Ngay mới đây có vụ cũng SU Ấn vs F16 Sing, làm ở xứ Phú.
Chưa thấy tin tức hay ho gì được công bố.
Dưng mờ nếu F16 ngon thì đã nổ om sòm.
Chắc kết cục lại cũng giống trò trận giả lúc trước thôi.