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14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
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Bốn bể là nhà
Súng trên boong của U boat huyền thoại, tất cả đều là anti ship
uh anti ship sau mới phải lắp thêm U-flak
U-boat Types

The Anti-aircraft guns

At the beginning of the war the standard U-boat anti-aircraft (AA) weapon was a single 2cm gun. The Germans knew these as Flak from Flugabwehrkanone. The 2cm gun was most often the C/30 version in LC 30/37 mountings. From 1941 the 3,7cm gun SK C/30U became standard on type IX boats.

Type VIIC boat U-486 showing the normal tower before increased AA fire power was added. One 2cm C/30 gun on LC 30/37 mount. Illustration by Morten Kutschera.
More power added to the AA defences

In 1939 and 1940 the weapon was located aft of the tower and it served its purpose up to a point. But it was quickly apparent that this was no an effective defence. In the following years the conning tower (Germ. Turmumbau) was rebuilt several times for better AA defence.

Close-up of the 2cm AA gun. Illustration by Morten Kutschera.
Turmumbau I

There was widening of the bridge to put on two double-barrelled 13,2mm Breda-Fla-MG and one traditional 2cm gun. That version was mainly used on the Mediterranean-boats from autumn 1942 to autumn 1943. Below you see U-81 with this layout.

U-81 with two double-barrelled 13,2mm Breda-Fla-MG
Turmumbau II

Now two 2cm C/38 were fitted on bridge and on the additional platform which became known as the Wintergarten. The Turmumbau II was only an interim solution and was first installed in November 1942. The first boats which were rebuilt were the IXC40 boat U-193 and the VIIC boats U-237 and U-955.
Turmumbau III

Here we also have two 2cm C/38 but only on a widened bridge. The type VIID mine-layer boats had the mine-shafts aft of the tower they could not accommodarte the larger Wintergarden of Turmumbau II.
Turmumbau IV

The VIIC (which was the most common U-boat type) was from 1944 on wards typically fitted with one 3.7cm automatic M42 U on gun-carriage LM 42 U and two double-barrelled 2cm 38 M II on double-LM 43 U.
Various configurations

Some boats had the 3.7cm gun removed and featured the quadruple 2cm 38/43 U with shield (see the photo of U-745 below).

U-745 with the quadruple 2cm AA gun 38/43 U.
U-338 (Oblt. Manfred Kinzel) was fitted with a small bandstand to the front of the tower for a twin 20mm MG151. The configuration was tested before U-338 went on operations. The MG151 guns had the advantage of being small and easy to fit in odd locations. At the same time however they proved ineffective (due to low muzzle velocity resulting in poor range and penetrating power) and were thus never widely adopted.
U-345 carried extended AA weaponry of four 20mm twins (1 mounting forward of the bridge and 3 in an extended bridge of Turm IV type) - the configuration was called Turm V.
U-673 (Kptlt. Gerhard Haelbich) and U-973 (Oblt. Klaus Paepenmoeller) had Turmumbau VI installed - standard Turm IV (one 37mm cannon and two 20mm twins) and an additional 37mm M42 cannon on LM42U mounting forward of the bridge (alternatively it was planned to use twin 20mm 38MII).

U-673 with Turmbau VI installed which was built in April 1944 but was replaced in August same year after it proved unsuccessful.
U-362 (Oblt. Ludwig Franz) is also known to have a forward gun platform. It is sometimes reported that U-362, U-673 and U-973 had a quadruple 20mm mounting in front. The actual setup is certainly quite unclear as there is a photo showing U-673 with the 37mm cannon on the forward platform in April 44 (referred to as Turm VI). Perhaps the boat was used for tests of various AA configurations. As the addition made the boats rather unstable, it quickly abandoned.
The various changes in AA weaponry on the U-boats resulted in the interesting variations of the conning tower. The most impressive example is of course the 4 U-Flak boats (U-441, U-256, U-621 and U-953).

U-441 as the Flak boat Flak-U1 with the massive AA gun platform.
Some Milk cow supply boats got an extra platform for the quadruple 2cm AA gun (see page for U-462 for photo)
On the type XXI there were 2 double-barrelled 3cm C/38 in two separate Flak-towers (earlier models had the 2cm model since the larger variant was not available in time), her smaller sister, the XXIII had no AA guns at all.
Overview

When one considers that during the war more than half of all the U-boats sunk at sea were sunk by aircraft it's no wonder the AA defence was a priority, not to mention the fact that the U-boats (until the Schnorchel and the Elektro boats came along) had to spend many hours on the surface recharging batteries and getting fresh air into the boat. Often the commander elected to fight it out and sometimes succeeded in shooting down the aircraft.
But even the example above was not enough of a defence against a determined attack from many aircraft and eventually the only real option the U-boat had was to dive immediately and hope for the best. From late 1944 when most combat boats had been fitted with the Schnorchel device they spent more and more time beneath the surface and the AA guns went mostly silent.
U-boat-successes against aircraft

Around 120 aircraft were shot down by U-boats for the loss of roughly 30 U-boats either sunk during the attack or due to being located by other forces shortly afterwards and sunk.
One source says that RAF Coastal Command (U-boat hunters) lost 700 aircraft (badly damaged, shot down and paid off) and sank 220 U-boats during the war. I've been unable to verify the RAF losses but the U-boat figure is about right it seems. These figures show the immense effort put out by the British to hunt down the U-boats and almost all the aircraft successes took place in 1942 and later. In 1939-1941 only some 2 U-boats were sunk by aircraft (31 in 1942 alone).
http://www.uboat.net/technical/flak.htm
 
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29/8/09
Số km
9,681
Động cơ
536,693 Mã lực
ơ thằng này nó chửi mình không đọc hiểu nhưng mình đưa cái gì nó cũng không chịu đọc
tỷ như con USS barb nhé
1 × 3-inch (76 mm) / 50 caliber deck gun[4]
Bofors 40 mm and Oerlikon 20 mm cannon

cả 76 lẫn 40 hay 20 đều là súng phòng không

hàng lien xô có con shuka kia
đời 1-3 lắp mỗi 21-K
đời 5 giở đi mới lắp thêm 1 khẩu 45 bình thường

anh đưa đủ hết
mày muỗ cãi gì nữa ????
Bệnh nặng quá, đọc hiểu cực kém. Đó là pháo phòng ko được lắp lên boong làm nhiệm vụ chính đối hải, hiểu chưa. Chuyện này rất phổ biến đừng thấy Tiger lắp Flak 88 hay T34 lắp phòng ko 85 mm mà phán nó thành pháo phòng ko tự hành nhé.
Pháo 100 mm dùng để tấn công mục tiêu bay cao, xa đó là ở trên bờ rõ chưa, ko hiểu thì trách bản thân thôi. Khi nó lên tàu thì nhiệm vụ chính là đối hải còn cái máy bay bay xa tít thì tàu ngầm bắn nó làm gì, sợ thì sợ thằng bay thấp ở gần thôi.
Nếu để chống máy bay săn ngầm bay gần thì thằng Mỹ ngu nó sẽ lắp Bofor 40 ly chứ ko tối kiến đi lắp cái 100 ly làm gì.
Ngô nghê vậy mà cũng cố cãi.
 

Mannschaft

Xe điện
Biển số
OF-17341
Ngày cấp bằng
14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
Nơi ở
Bốn bể là nhà
cái này chả biết nên post vào Nga hay Mỹ nữa
haizzzz
đông tây y kết hợp cúng
 

pháo BM21 grad

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Biển số
OF-302370
Ngày cấp bằng
20/12/13
Số km
9,879
Động cơ
73 Mã lực
Bệnh nặng quá, đọc hiểu cực kém. Đó là pháo phòng ko được lắp lên boong làm nhiệm vụ chính đối hải, hiểu chưa. Chuyện này rất phổ biến đừng thấy Tiger lắp Flak 88 hay T34 lắp phòng ko 85 mm mà phán nó thành pháo phòng ko tự hành nhé.
Pháo 100 mm dùng để tấn công mục tiêu bay cao, xa đó là ở trên bờ rõ chưa, ko hiểu thì trách bản thân thôi. Khi nó lên tàu thì nhiệm vụ chính là đối hải còn cái máy bay bay xa tít thì tàu ngầm bắn nó làm gì, sợ thì sợ thằng bay thấp ở gần thôi.
Nếu để chống máy bay săn ngầm bay gần thì thằng Mỹ ngu nó sẽ lắp Bofor 40 ly chứ ko tối kiến đi lắp cái 100 ly làm gì.
Ngô nghê vậy mà cũng cố cãi.
thế anh hỏi lại cu con USS Barb lắp cái gì trên đầu nó hử????
Thôi hai lão cãi nhau làm giề, túm cái vấy lại là vừa đối hải vừa bắn máy bay cho nó lành :))
 

Mannschaft

Xe điện
Biển số
OF-17341
Ngày cấp bằng
14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
Nơi ở
Bốn bể là nhà
Ăn nói cẩn thận đừng xách mé nữa, tôi đang hết sức kiềm chế đó.
deck gun bắn máy bay đc sao không cho nó bắn
này thì 76 bắn máy bay
3 Inch 50 Caliber MK21 Deck Gun Cannon
WWII U.S. Submarine Weapons and Armament 1941 - 1945





The 3 inch 50 caliber Mk 21 (76mm) dual purpose cannon deck gun was standard issue on board many United States Navy Submarines, Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts (DE) during the early stages of World War II. By US Navy standards, it was generally considered to be a defensive weapon designed to be used against aircraft that were far away or very high up, although on a submarine it was primarily employed against enemy surface ships. Mounted on a pedestal either forward or aft of the conning tower, this weapon could fire a 13 lb high explosive projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2,700 feet per second and a maximum range of just over 16,000 yards with a ceiling of 21,500 feet. This gun could elevate to 85° and depress to 10°. Cartridges were packed four to a box, the weight of a full box being about 125 lbs with cartridges weighing approximately 32lbs each. The 3 inch 50 had a watertight tampion for the muzzle and a watertight cover for the breech with stainless steel mechanisms and bore. This weapon could be used with equally deadly effect against both surface and aerial targets.



http://www.valoratsea.com/350.htm
này thì bofor 40mm

The Bofors 40 mm gun, often referred to simply as the Bofors gun,[1] is an anti-aircraft/multi-purpose autocannon designed in the 1930s by the Swedish arms manufacturer AB Bofors. It was one of the most popular medium-weight anti-aircraft systems during World War II, used by most of the western Allies as well as by the Axis powers. The cannon remains in service (as the main armament in the CV 90) making it both one of the longest-serving and most widespread artillery pieces of all time. Bofors itself has been part of BAE Systems AB since March 2005.
 
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Mannschaft

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Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
Nơi ở
Bốn bể là nhà
Thôi hai lão cãi nhau làm giề, túm cái vấy lại là vừa đối hải vừa bắn máy bay cho nó lành :))
đầu tiên bảo chỉ bắn tầu
ng ta bảo là nó bắn đc máy bay thì cãi é phải
nó lại bảo mình lươn vụ 45mm của shuka mình đưa ra dẫn chứng là con 45mm của shuka là AA cannon nó lảng đi dẫn sang tầu ngầm đức không có AA
mình lại dẫn ra đức phải lắp thêm U-flak thì nó lại chống sang pháo tăng
mình đưa ra dẫn chứng cả tầu mỹ tầu liên xô đều lắp pháo phòng không nó lại cãi là pháo phòng không chỉ để đối hải
 
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springsea

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Biển số
OF-44950
Ngày cấp bằng
29/8/09
Số km
9,681
Động cơ
536,693 Mã lực
Mày lươn vừa thôi Man, hèn quá. Tao nói rõ pháo trên tàu là đối hải là chính sau đó mới lắp phòng ko. Mày là thằng thiếu suy nghĩ khi đi phán xanh rờn là phòng không. Tao nói câu nào là ko bắn được máy bay? Mày chỉ ra xem.
 

Mannschaft

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Biển số
OF-17341
Ngày cấp bằng
14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
Nơi ở
Bốn bể là nhà
Pháo đối hạm đoá ko phải bắn máy bay đâu. Gặp tàu buôn ko có hộ tống thì tàu ngầm nổi hẳn lên dùng pháo chiến. Đạn ngư lôi tàu ngầm ko mang được nhiều. Có chỉ huy tàu ngầm Đức dùng chiến thuật tấn công ban đêm cho tàu nổi lên giữa đội hình tàu buôn có tàu khu trục hộ tống để táng bằng pháo. Do ban đêm khó quan sát lại sợ bắn nhầm tàu buôn nên tàu hộ tống phải chịu thúc thủ.
nếu mày gõ là lắp trên tầu đức thì anh không nói gì nhé
cái gì đây xuân hải
 
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springsea

[Tịch thu bằng lái]
Biển số
OF-44950
Ngày cấp bằng
29/8/09
Số km
9,681
Động cơ
536,693 Mã lực
Câu hỏi và câu trả lời đây đừng có nhập nhèm K1 với 45 ly. Thời kỳ đầu người ta chưa nghĩ đến kịch bản tàu ngầm vs máy bay. Pháo trên bông mục đích là để đối hạm. Sau WWII máy bay thành chống ngầm chở nên phổ biến nên người ta lắp thêm pháo phòng ko và bây giờ thay thế bằng tên lửa tầm ngắn.
Định vác 100 ly ra tắc bọp ra bắn máy bay thì quả là siêu thiên tài quân sự :))
Mày nhìn cái tao viết mà im cái mồm lươn lẹo nhé Man
 

Mannschaft

Xe điện
Biển số
OF-17341
Ngày cấp bằng
14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
Nơi ở
Bốn bể là nhà
anh nhập nhèm 45mm và 21K lúc nào hả ???
anh nói ngay từ đầu Schuka lắp 45mm là 21-K còn gì

xuân hải gúc phát 45mm 21-K đi
con pháo lắp trên Shuka đấy
mệt xuân hải quá pháo phòng không bắn đối hạm vẫn Bthg
 
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springsea

[Tịch thu bằng lái]
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OF-44950
Ngày cấp bằng
29/8/09
Số km
9,681
Động cơ
536,693 Mã lực
câu này đứa :(|)nào gõ ra hả xuân hải
nếu mày gõ là lắp trên tầu đức thì anh không nói gì nhé
mà nói thêm là tầu liên xô và mỹ lắp luôn phòng không rồi chứ không phải là lắp thêm
Mày quả thiếu khôn thật, tao nói rõ mục đích chính của pháo trên tàu ngầm là chống hạm. Chung cho tất cả ko riêng thằng Nga hay thằng nào khác. Mày mới là thằng phán bừa pháo trên tàu ngầm để phòng ko
 

Mannschaft

Xe điện
Biển số
OF-17341
Ngày cấp bằng
14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
Nơi ở
Bốn bể là nhà
Mày quả thiếu khôn thật, tao nói rõ mục đích chính của pháo trên tàu ngầm là chống hạm. Chung cho tất cả ko riêng thằng Nga hay thằng nào khác. Mày mới là thằng phán bừa pháo trên tàu ngầm để phòng ko
ô hay nó là pháo phòng không thì lại không đc bảo là pháo phòng không hả?
 
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pháo BM21 grad

Xe container
Biển số
OF-302370
Ngày cấp bằng
20/12/13
Số km
9,879
Động cơ
73 Mã lực
Tàu ngầm lớp Dekabrist


Tàu ngầm D-2 tại St Petersburg


D-3 trên tem LX
Dekabrist Là lớp tầu ngầm được xây dựng vào năm 1926 cho HQ LX sau khi cách mạng tháng 10 thành công. Tàu được xây dựng dựa trên mẫu tàu ngầm Balilla của Ý và được đóng Ordzhonikidze. Tàu được thiết kế với lớp vỏ đôi với 7 ngăn, kết nối bằng đinh tán. Đặc tính của tàu có nhiều thiếu sót như thời gian lặn lâu và thiếu ổn định. Vào năm 1933 các tàu được biên chế vào hạm đội Biển Bắc và phục vụ ở đó cho đến năm 1940.
Lớp Dekabrist gồm 6 tàu từ D-1 đến D-6
D-1, hạ thủy ngày 3/11/1928, Bị mất trong vụ tai nạn tháng 11 năm 1940 trong vingj Motovsky gần Murmansk trong nhiệm vụ đào tạo.
D-2, hạ thủy năm 1929 ,Ngừng hoạt động năm 1958 nhưng 1956-1987 khi có trụ sở tại Kronstadt nó phục vụ lại như một tàu huấn luyện. Cuối cùng, vào năm 1989 được đặt trên bờ biển như một bảo tàng tưởng niệm tại St Petersburg.
D-3, hạ thủy ngày 12/7/1929, Bị đánh chìm tháng 7 năm 1942 khi ra khỏi Na Uy.
D-4, hạ thủy năm 1929, Bị đánh chìm bởi tàu đánh cá vũ trang của Đức (UJ -102 và UJ- 103 tại Yevpatoria, Crimea.
D-5, hạ thủy năm 1929, Năm 1950 ngừng hoạt động
D-6, hạ thủy năm 1929, Bị phá hủy bởi vụ đánh bom ở xưởng đóng tàu Sevastopol , 12 tháng 11 1941.
Thông số cơ bản

Choán nước: 933 tấn nổi
1.354 tấn lặn
Chiều dài:
76.00 m (249 ft 4 in)
Đường kính: 6,5 m (21 ft)
Mớn nước:
3,80 m (12,5 ft)
Động cơ đẩy:
2 trục, cánh quạt ba cánh
- Hai động cơ diesel MAN / Kolomna 1.100 hp
- Hai động cơ điện PG-20 525hp
- Hai động cơ điện 50hp
- 60 Pin DK lưu trữ
Tốc độ:
14 hải lý (26 km / h) nổi
9 hải lý (17 km / h) lặn
Phạm vi hoạt động: 3.600 hải lý (6.700 km) tại 14 kn (26 km / h) nổi
7.500 hải lý (13.900 km) vào lúc 9 kn (17 km / h) nổi
132 hải lý (244 km) ở 2 kn (3,7 km / h) lặn
Lặn sâu: 295 ft (90 m)
Thủy thủ
: 53 người
Trang bị vũ khí:
8 ống phóng ngư lôi (533 mm) ngư lôi (6 phía trước, 2 phía đuôi) tàu mang được 14 ngư lôi
1 pháo 100mm/51 cal.
1 pháo 45mm/46 cal. K-21
1 súng máy 7.62mm
 
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springsea

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Biển số
OF-44950
Ngày cấp bằng
29/8/09
Số km
9,681
Động cơ
536,693 Mã lực
Deck gun

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"Deck gun" can also mean a type of big water nozzle used for firefighting.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HN-British-4-inch-submarine-gun-3.jpg
British Mk XXII 4-inch deck gun from S class submarine.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_andrew_4_inch_deck_gun.jpg
Deck gun from HMS Andrew


A deck gun is a type of artillery cannon mounted on the deck of a ship or submarine.
The deck gun was used as a defensive weapon against smaller boats or ships and in certain cases where torpedo use was limited. Typically a crew of three; gunner, loader and layer, operated the gun, while others were tasked with supplying ammunition. A small locker box held a few 'ready-use' rounds. With a well-drilled, experienced crew, the rate of fire of a deck gun could be 15 to 18 aimed shots per minute.



History[edit]

The deck gun was introduced in all submarine forces prior to World War I. Although technically not a deck gun, USS Holland (SS-1), the first American submarine, was equipped with a pneumatic dynamite gun built into the bow in 1900. The deck gun was first used by the Germans in World War I, and proved its worth when the U-boat needed to conserve torpedoes or attack enemy vessels straggling behind a convoy. Submarine captains often considered the deck gun as their main weapon, using torpedoes only when necessary, since many World War I submarines carried 10 or fewer torpedoes. Lothar von Arnauld de la Perière used a deck gun on 171 of his 194 sinkings.[citation needed]
In early World War II, German[citation needed] submarine commanders favoured the deck gun because of the unreliability of torpedoes. The deck gun became less effective as convoys became larger and better equipped, and merchant ships were armed. Surfacing also became dangerous in the vicinity of a convoy because of improvements in radar and direction finding. (See Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships [DEMS] and United States Navy Armed Guard). German U-boat deck guns were eventually removed on the order of the supreme commander of the U-boat Arm (BdU) during World War II. Some deck guns stayed on ships, but today they are no longer in use.
Two notable deck guns from German U-boats used in World War II were the 8.8 cm (3.5 in) SK C/35 (not to be confused with famous 8.8 cm Flak [1]) and the 10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK C/32. The 88 mm had ammunition that weighed about 30 lb (14 kg) and was of the projectile and cartridge type. It had the same controls on both sides of the gun so that the two crewman that were in charge of firing it could control it from either side. The 105 mm evolved from the 88 mm in the sense that it was more accurate and had more power due to the 51 lb (23 kg) ammunition it fired.
In the US Navy, deck guns were used through the end of World War II. Many targets in the Pacific War were sampans or other small vessels that were not worth a torpedo. The unreliability of the Mark 14 torpedo through mid-1943 also promoted the use of the deck gun. Most US submarines started the war with a single 3 inch (76 mm)/50 caliber or 4 inch (102 mm)/50 caliber deck gun, but by 1945 most had been refitted with a 5 inch (127 mm)/25 caliber gun. Some submarines were equipped with two 5 inch guns.
Japanese submarine cruisers used 14 cm/40 11th Year Type naval guns to shell California, British Columbia and Oregon during World War II.[2] The 6"/53 caliber gun Mark 18 (152 mm) on the USS Argonaut, Narwhal and Nautilus (two per submarine), was the largest deck gun to be fitted on any United States submarine.[3] The three British M-class submarines mounted a single 12 inch (305 mm)/40 caliber naval gun intended to be fired while the submarine was at periscope depth with the muzzle of the gun above water. This World War I design was found unworkable in trials because the submarine was required to surface to reload the gun, and problems arose when variable amounts of water entered the barrel prior to firing. The French submarine Surcouf was launched in 1929 with two 203mm/50 Modèle 1924 guns in a turret forward of the conning tower.[4] The London Naval Treaty of 1930 restricted submarine guns to a maximum of 155 mm (6.1 inches).
In the Royal Navy, the Amphion-class submarine HMS Andrew was the last British submarine to be fitted with a deck gun (a QF 4 inch Mk XXIII). HMS Andrew was decommissioned in 1974.[5] The last submarines in service in any navy to mount a deck gun were two of the four Abtao class submarines of the Peruvian Navy in 1999.[6]
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Mannschaft

Xe điện
Biển số
OF-17341
Ngày cấp bằng
14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
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Bốn bể là nhà
pót lại lần thứ 4 nhé
deckgun của mỹ đây này
3 Inch 50 Caliber MK21 Deck Gun Cannon
WWII U.S. Submarine Weapons and Armament 1941 - 1945





The 3 inch 50 caliber Mk 21 (76mm) dual purpose cannon deck gun was standard issue on board many United States Navy Submarines, Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts (DE) during the early stages of World War II. By US Navy standards, it was generally considered to be a defensive weapon designed to be used against aircraft that were far away or very high up, although on a submarine it was primarily employed against enemy surface ships. Mounted on a pedestal either forward or aft of the conning tower, this weapon could fire a 13 lb high explosive projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2,700 feet per second and a maximum range of just over 16,000 yards with a ceiling of 21,500 feet. This gun could elevate to 85° and depress to 10°. Cartridges were packed four to a box, the weight of a full box being about 125 lbs with cartridges weighing approximately 32lbs each. The 3 inch 50 had a watertight tampion for the muzzle and a watertight cover for the breech with stainless steel mechanisms and bore. This weapon could be used with equally deadly effect against both surface and aerial targets.



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Mannschaft

Xe điện
Biển số
OF-17341
Ngày cấp bằng
14/6/08
Số km
3,263
Động cơ
537,254 Mã lực
Nơi ở
Bốn bể là nhà
lần nữa về shuka này
có phải 45mm trên shuka là AA không hả
http://www.submarinesonstamps.co.il/History.aspx?h=236


The Schulka class (Pike) of medium submarines was built in very large numbers and was the subject of steady development through three major types- Series III, Series V (with 3 sub-types) and Series X (with 2 sub-types).This was the first original submarine design and produce in the USSR and remain in constant production, incorporating a steady stream of improvements, from 1929 to 1948.

The construction program was complicated and reflects the difficulties created by the vast geographical spread of the USSR. Thus boats for the Black Sea Fleet were built in the 61-Kummunar and Marti Yards in Nikolayev in the Crimea, and those for the Baltic Fleet by the Marti, Ordzhonikidze and Zhdanov yards in Leningrad. The Marti and Ordzhonikidze yards also fabricated parts which were then shipped to the Far East for assembly by the Dalzavod yard and service with the Pacific Fleet.

All the boats served in the Great Patriotic War and some were quite successful. Some 33 boats were lost during the war and the reminder served on until the 1950s except for 11 Series Xbis which survived into the 1960s.

Specifications, Series III:
Riveted double-hull design, saddle-tank configuration. The hull was divided in to 6 compartments. Reportedly, these boats could only fire two forward tubes in one salvo, as the trim would be altered too radically. If more were fired.

Displacement (srf/sub tons): 578/704
Dimensions (L*B*D feet/meter): 187’0*20’4*12’5/57.0*6.20*3.80
Propulsion: 2*1,370hp 8-cylinders Kolomna diesels, 2*800hp electric motors, 2*40hp electric creeping motors, 2*56 cell batteries, 2 shafts

Speed (srf/sub knots): 11.5/8.5
Range (srf/sub n/miles@knots): 1,350@11.5 or 3,250@8.5/8@8.5 or 110@2.0
Diving depth (feet/meter): 290/90

Complement: 35 officers and crew
Torpedo: 6*21"(533mm) bow torpedo tubes, 2*21" stern torpedo tubes, total of 10 torpedoes
Mines: none
Armament: 1*45mm/46cal. main deck gun, K-21 AA gun (500 rounds)


Construction
Four hulls were built under the III series; Shch-1 Shchuka, Shch-2 Okun, Shch-3 Yorsh and Shch-4 Komsomolets, all by Ordzhonikidze, Leningrad; launched between Dec’1930 to May 1932.


Specifications, Series V/V bis/V bis2:
Many of the shortcomings of the first four boats were addressed in the much more numerous Series V, which had a longer hull, sub-divided into seven compartments and more powerful engines with increased fuel capacity from 25 to 58 tons. Riveted double-hull design, saddle-tank configuration.

Displacement (srf/sub tons): 586/704
Dimensions (L*B*D feet/meter): 191’11*20’4*13’9/58.5*6.20*4.30
Propulsion: 2*1,370hp 8-cylinders Kolomna diesels, 2*800hp electric motors, 2*56 cell KSM-2 batteries, 2 shafts

Speed (srf/sub knots): 12.9/7.0
Range (srf/sub n/miles@knots): 2,200@12.9 or 4,500@8.5/7@7.0 or 100@2.0
Diving depth (feet/meter): 290/90

Complement: 37 officers and crew
Torpedo: 6*21"(533mm) bow torpedo tubes, 2*21" stern torpedo tubes, total of 10 torpedoes
Mines: none
Armament: 1*45mm/46cal. main deck gun, added aft of coning tower in Vbis/ Vbis2-1*45mm/46cal., K-21 AA gun (1000 rounds)


Construction
The Shch-101 through 112 constitute the V Series; the Shch-113 through 120, 201-204, 305 and 308 the Vbis; and the Shch-121 through 125, 205 through 207, and 300 are the Vbis2 Series- a total of some 39 hulls. The Shcs101 through Shcs 112 were prefabricated at the Marti yard, Leningrad; the Shch-113 through Shch-125 were prefabricated at the 61-Kummunar, Nikolayev.


Specifications, Series X/X bis:
The Series X was generally similar to the earlier boats, but with more powerful engines. Endurance was doubled to 40 days and the Series X boats were no longer coastal boats, but had an ocean-going capability. In the Series Xbis the major improvements were concerned with enabling production to be both easier and quicker. Riveted double-hull design, saddle-tank configuration.

Displacement (srf/sub tons): 590/708
Dimensions (L*B*D feet/meter): 192’9*20’4*13’2/58.75*6.20*4.00
Propulsion: 2*1,600hp 8-cylinders Kolomna diesels, 2*800hp electric motors, 2*56 cell KSM-2 batteries, 2 shafts

Speed (srf/sub knots): 1306/8.0
Range (srf/sub n/miles@knots): 1,200@13.6 or 3,650@7.5/8@8.0 or 120@2.5
Diving depth (feet/meter): 290/90

Complement: 38 officers and crew
Torpedo: 6*21"(533mm) bow torpedo tubes, 2*21" stern torpedo tubes, total of 10 torpedoes
Mines: none
Armament: 1*45mm/46cal. main deck gun, 1*45mm/46cal. aft of coning tower, K-21 AA gun (1000 rounds)
 
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springsea

[Tịch thu bằng lái]
Biển số
OF-44950
Ngày cấp bằng
29/8/09
Số km
9,681
Động cơ
536,693 Mã lực
Submarine Gun Armament



WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN:


American naval rifles use two numbers to indicate their size. These are shown in the form of 5"/25-calibre (or just 5"/25). The first number is the diameter of the bore, in this case five inches. The second is the length of the barrel in calibres, with one calibre, in this case, being the bore diameter of 5". So what 5"/25 indicates is a rifled cannon firing a 5" diameter shell, and with a 125" (10' 5") barrel length.
Generally, a longer barrel is considered better for two reasons. First, the longer barrel allows more complete combustion of the propellant charge before the shell leaves the barrel. This adds imparts greater velocity to the shell, giving it a longer range and greater striking power. Second, a longer barrel adds greater stability to the shell, making it more accurate.
The negative side of a longer barrel is that it requires a more stable platform to achieve any gain in accuracy, and may actually be less accurate from an unstable deck. This was the reason the Navy adopted the 5"/25 for submarines, rather than an open-mount version of the more usual 5"/45 or 5"/50 normally found on destroyers and other surface ships.

DECK GUNS:



3"/50:
This gun was original equipment on most of the early fleet boats. Originally developed for surface ships, it was adapted for submarine use with only minimal modifications. The picture shows a 3"/50 aboard U.S.S. Sculpin at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard in May 1943. (The circled number "1" is from the legend on the original yard picture, indicating a modification performed at that overhaul.)
From very early in the war the inadequacies of the design were obvious. It was accurate enough, but relatively short ranged, and the three-inch shell lacked the destructive power of a heavier round. Designed as a quick-firing anti-aircraft gun, it proved to be less than ideal even for that purpose, and submarines were not issued the air-burst shells and fuse setters needed for shooting at planes. Because American submarines were able to continue using their deck guns through most of the war, the commanding officers started lobbying for heavier, more versatile weapons very early.


4"/50:
A large number of fleet submarines were re-equipped with this deck gun. A former surface ship gun (these were the standard main armament on World War I destroyers), it was better with regard to shell size and range, but the pedestal mount allowed only limited elevation, and the long barrel, intended to improve accuracy, was far less effective on a submarine's lively deck.
The 4"/50 was the standard deck gun on the old S-Class submarines. One of the more common complaints even in that application was that the gun was highly reliable—but only if you never submerged.


6"/53:
During the inter-war period, a fashion developed for very large, long-range "cruiser" submarines, intended to be utilized as commerce raiders in the event of war. The ultimate development of this principle was the French Surcouf, which mounted a pair of 8" guns in a waterproof turret at the front of the conning tower, and carried a scouting plane in a waterproof hanger aft. It held the distinction of being the largest, and most heavily armed, submarine built prior to the nuclear age, but proved of little value in combat.
The United States built three of these big submarines, Argonaut, Nautilus, and Narwhal. Argonaut (SM-1) was primarilly designed as a mine layer, and carried 60 mines in addition to her bow torpedo tubes. The other two were built as "cruiser" submarines. All three mounted a pair of 6"/53 deck guns, one forward and the other aft.
Once again, these guns were originally developed for surface vessels where, mounted in single, double, or triple turrets, they had been used as secondary armament in battleships or main armament in light cruisers. All three submarines mounting them were eventually converted for use in special operations, as their large size allowed room for transporting troops. They were generally not used on offensive operations after the first few months of war, again because of their size, which made them very slow diving compared to the fleet boats, and poor submerged maneuverability.


5"/25:
This was the first American submarine deck gun designed specifically for submarines, and proved the most effective because of this. The short barrel improved accuracy on a submarine's rolling deck, and the five-inch round was powerful enough to cause serious damage to a target.
In addition, because the gun was designed for submarine use, it was built from rust-resistant steel, and with pressure-tight fittings, to reduce maintenance. The traditional pedestal mount was eliminated, with a dual-purpose mount employed, which was both quicker training, and could elevate the barrel to 45°, making it potentially much more effective in an anti-aircraft role. (It was not, however, used in that role and no suitable ammunition was ever issued.)
Late in the war, several boats were fitted with a pair of 5"/25s, as well as a simple director system, allowing coordinated fire.
The pictured gun is mounted aboard U.S.S. Cod, now docked in Cleveland and open to the public. For additional pictures and more information on this gun, take a look at this article.



ANTI-AIRCRAFT & LIGHT WEAPONS:


40-Millimeter Bofors:
Built under license from the Swedish manufacturer, the 40-mm Bofors was one of the most popular medium anti-aircraft weapons of World War II, and in a modernized form remains in production to this day. Most naval applications used a twin mount. Not originally fitted to submarines, the 40-mm was added to the arsenal when commanders argued that they needed something to fill the gap between the 20-mm and the deck gun for close-in attacks on small vessels.
The single-barrel "wet" version used on submarines had seats for the aimer and trainer, who could elevate, depress, traverse, and aim the gun with hand controls. Stops were fitted to prevent traversing and/or depressing the gun to where it could hit the boat. Sights were fitted to both sides of the gun, so that either operator could aim when necessary.
Besides its rarely-used anti-aircraft role, the 40-mm was used for attacks on supply junks and other light craft that weren't considered adequate targets for torpedoes or the main gun. (In actual practice, this was virtually the only thing it was used for, as shooting at enemy planes was highly discouraged except in harbor, where there was no possibility of submerging.)
Later in the war, a 40-mm was usually installed on the cigarette deck at the aft end of the conning tower, where it replaced the original 20-mm mount (which, in the case of most early boats, was itself something of an afterthought). Some boats also added a second 40-mm in the forward gun position at the front of the conning tower. Ready use ammunition was kept in pressure-proof lockers near the gun positions, where it was easy to get at.
20-millimeter Oerlikon:
For a country that has been adamantly neutral for many years, Switzerland has still made its contributions to the art of war. The 20-mm Oerlikon automatic cannon is one of these. The smallest weapon in the American arsenal firing an explosive shell, the 20-mm was a close-in anti-aircraft machine-cannon. The shells were loaded in a drum magazine, and a single gunner aimed and fired the gun. Pressure-proof storage was provided for these guns, but it was found that they could tolerate immersion reasonable well provided the barrels were changed frequently.
Most wartime production fleet submarines originally came fitted with at least one 20-mm, on the after part of the conning tower and, after the pre-war bridges were cut down, reducing the silhouette and, in the process, creating a second gun position at the front of the bridge, a second gun was fitted. When the skippers could convince the right people, these were both often replaced with 40-mm mounts, giving an increase in both range and destructive power.
Machineguns:
Fleet submarines all had mounting points for machineguns fitted at various locations around the bridge. The actual guns varied, though the general rule—at least as far as the submariners were concerned—was "the heavier the better." The guns and ammunition were stored in pressure-proof containers near the mounts, where they could be quickly extracted on surfacing.
The preferred weapon was the .50 calibre Browning heavy machinegun. (In small arms, one calibre is one inch, with the diameter of the bullet measured in hundredths of an inch, so a .50 calibre projectile is half an inch in diameter.) This heavy machine gun was actually developed as a light anti-tank weapon, back in the early days, when tank armor was still rather thin. It proved an effective machinery killer, and can still be found in the inventory.
The .30 calibre Browning medium machinegun was also commonly found. This fired the same .30-06 round as the standard service rifle, and was designed as an anti-personnel weapon. You could also find some older weapons, such as the British Lewis gun, fitted to some of the old S-class submarines. These were originally chambered for the British .303 rimmed cartridge, but American versions were rechambered for the .30-06. The Browning was belt fed, while the Lewis was loaded with a flat drum magazine that sat on top of the receiver. Both would kill an enemy, but the Browning was generally considered the superior weapon.

SMALL ARMS:


In addition to the heavy weapons, submarines also had an arms locker where "personal" weapons were stored. Officers had the standard issue Model 1911-A1 Colt .45 calibre semi-automatic pistol. Another of John M. Browning's designs—he was the most prolific American arms designer of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries—the M1911 in its stock form was never the most accurate handgun, but made up for this with one of the most effective single-shot manstopper cartridges ever produced. And, as handguns are intended to be used at very short ranges, accuracy was less an issue than some might think.
Submarines also generally carried a few Thompson submachineguns, which fired the same .45 ACP round as the M1911 pistol. These were normally fitted with the straight 20-round box magazine, rather than the 50-round drum magazine usually seen in gangster movies. M-1 Garands and/or 1903 Springfield bolt-action rifles could also be found, mainly intended for shooting at floating mines. These "personal" weapons were normally kept under lock and key. Certain movies to the contrary, small arms were never kept within easy reach of the crew for the simple reason that they didn't ordinarilly need them and, on those occasions when they did, there would almost always be time to issue them.
Phân loại vũ khí trên tàu ngầm như thế này có lẽ rõ ràng hơn khi phân biệt deck gun (pháo trên boong) với vũ khí phòng không và vũ khí nhẹ. Vũ khí phòng ko được bổ sung giai đoạn WWII
 
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