[Funland] Ai thích vũ khí NGA thì vào đây (III)

[Vịtxanh]

xuân hải gúc phát 45mm 21-K đi
con pháo lắp trên Shuka đấy
mệt xuân

hải quá pháo phòng không bắn đối hạm vẫn Bthg

ĐIển hình là pháo 37ly nòng đôi nhà ta vưỡn dùng nhể

 

[Mannschaft]

The deck gun was used as a defensive weapon against smaller boats or ships and in certain cases where torpedo use was limited. Typically a crew of three; gunner, loader and layer, operated the gun, while others were tasked with supplying ammunition. A small locker box held a few 'ready-use' rounds. With a well-drilled, experienced crew, the rate of fire of a deck gun could be 15 to 18 aimed shots per min
Nhiệm vụ chính của súng trên boong đây, ko chịu gúc gì cả cứ phán bừa

gúc cái súng 21-k lắp trên shuka đi còn gì

 

[Mannschaft]

ĐIển hình là pháo 37ly nòng đôi nhà ta vưỡn dùng nhể

CQ88 tầu cộng chả hạ nòng bắn đấy thôi
bài học to thế mà xuân hải cứ quên

 

[springsea]

Mk người ta hỏi pháo trên tàu ngầm làm gì thì cứ lôi cái 45 ly ra phán. Thông minh ko chịu được

 

[springsea]

Lươn vừa thôi 37 ly táng bộ binh, đối hạm léo ai nói gì. Đi vào vấn đề chính đê pháo trên boong sinh ra làm gì.
Ví dụ giời biển vẫn thấy bắn tàu ah

 

[Vịtxanh]

Mk người ta hỏi pháo trên tàu ngầm làm gì thì cứ lôi cái 45 ly ra phán. Thông minh ko chịu được

Pháo không để bắn thời để ... Thờ ah???

 

[Mannschaft]

khổ quá ng ta bảo là cái tầu Shuka nó lắp pháo 45mm 21-K
vậy xuân hải thừ xem nó là loại pháo gì
nói lại lần thứ 3

 

[pháo BM21 grad]

Mk người ta hỏi pháo trên tàu ngầm làm gì thì cứ lôi cái 45 ly ra phán. Thông minh ko chịu được

Ầy, các tàu ngầm em post lên có đủ loại pháo, trong đó có cả đống phóa 45 mm đấy cụ không thấy à ?

 

[Mannschaft]

đây deck gun Mỹ đây

3 Inch 50 Caliber MK21 Deck Gun Cannon
WWII U.S. Submarine Weapons and Armament 1941 - 1945​

The 3 inch 50 caliber Mk 21 (76mm) dual purpose cannon deck gun was standard issue on board many United States Navy Submarines, Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts (DE) during the early stages of World War II. By US Navy standards, it was generally considered to be a defensive weapon designed to be used against aircraft that were far away or very high up, although on a submarine it was primarily employed against enemy surface ships. Mounted on a pedestal either forward or aft of the conning tower, this weapon could fire a 13 lb high explosive projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2,700 feet per second and a maximum range of just over 16,000 yards with a ceiling of 21,500 feet. This gun could elevate to 85° and depress to 10°. Cartridges were packed four to a box, the weight of a full box being about 125 lbs with cartridges weighing approximately 32lbs each. The 3 inch 50 had a watertight tampion for the muzzle and a watertight cover for the breech with stainless steel mechanisms and bore. This weapon could be used with equally deadly effect against both surface and aerial targets.

http://www.valoratsea.com/350.htm

 

[pháo BM21 grad]

Từ súng máy, pháo 100mm, pháo 75mm, pháo 47mm, pháo 45mm, pháo 40mm, pháo 37mm, ngay trong thớt này trên các tàu ngầm Nga-xô, mời cụ xuân hải đọc lại ạ.

 

[springsea]

Cụ Pháo giải ngố em tí : tính năng tác dụng của khẩu pháo trên mấy cái tầu ngầm và nó có gì đặc biệt mà ngâm trong nước biển vẫn bắn được vậy ?

Pháo phòng khoog ạ
Nó là hải pháo nên cấu tạo có chút đặc biệt

Câu hỏi và câu trả lời đây đừng có nhập nhèm K1 với 45 ly. Thời kỳ đầu người ta chưa nghĩ đến kịch bản tàu ngầm vs máy bay. Pháo trên bông mục đích là để đối hạm. Sau WWII máy bay thành chống ngầm chở nên phổ biến nên người ta lắp thêm pháo phòng ko và bây giờ thay thế bằng tên lửa tầm ngắn.
Định vác 100 ly ra tắc bọp ra bắn máy bay thì quả là siêu thiên tài quân sự

 

[springsea]

Deck Guns


The deck gun was principally intended as a defensive weapon against small surface vessels, for which the torpedo was not a suitable weapon. During World War I however, it was discovered that deck guns were quite effective when used against stragglers and helped save scarce torpedoes. During World War II, as convoys became better protected, and merchantmen began to be armed with makeshift defensive guns, the deck gun was used less frequently. Eventually, BdU phased them out, though some U-boats still retained the deck guns.



There were two standard deck guns during World War II; the 8.8cm (on Type VII) and the 10.5cm (on Type IX). The U-boat however, was a poor gun platform since it rolled a lot, and ocean waves frequently washed over, making the gun platform slippery and hazardous. To prevent the crews from being washed over, they were fastened with life lines. A further factor was deck guns had no range finders, so engagements had to be done at close range. Depending on sea and weather conditions, it was also not possible man the deck gun at all times. The deck gun also contributed much to hydrodynamic resistance, slowing the underwater speed and increasing crash dive time. Indeed, deck gun engagements made the U-boat very vulnerable; since the gun and ammunition had to be secured and the crew had to get below deck, all of which meant that it took much longer than usual to submerge.

Three men operated the deck gun – gunner, layer and loader, usually under the supervision of the second watch officer. A chain of men were required to bring the ammunition from below the control room floor, then up the conning tower and onto the upper deck. A small watertight locker placed near the gun held a few more rounds ready for use, providing an advantage during the first few vital seconds of engagement. The rate of fire with a good crew was 15 to 18 rounds per minute.



8.8cm Schiffskanone (Antiship Cannon)

The naval 88mm gun was not the same as the famous 88mm of the German Army. Installed on the Type VIIs, the ammunition was a single unit round (projectile and cartridge) and weighed about 30 pounds (13.7kg). Mounted on a platform just ahead of the conning tower, it had identical controls on both sides, so the crew of two could operate it from either side.

10.5cm Schiffskanone (Antiship Cannon)

The 105mm gun was installed on the Type IA and Type IX U-boats. It had an improved range and was more powerful than the 88mm, with each round weighing around 51 pounds (23.3kg). It shared the identical gun platform with the 88mm and had no gun shield.



A Type VII U-boat on Artic patrol. The freezing weather has covered the 8.8cm gun with ice.

U-boat Deck Gun Specification
88mm Antiship Cannon 105mm Antiship Cannon
Used In Type VII Type IA, IX XB
Caliber 88mm (3.46in) 105mm (4.13in)
Traverse 360 degrees 360 degrees
Elevation -4 to +30 degrees -3 to +30 degrees
Breech Semi Automatic Semi Automatic
Ammunition
High Explosive
Weight
Muzzle Velocity
Range
Armor Piercing
Weight
Star Shell
Weight

13.7kg
700m per second
12,350m

13.9kg

11.2kg

23.3kg
785m per second
15,350m

23.3kg

14.7kg

Súng trên boong của U boat huyền thoại, tất cả đều là anti ship

 

[springsea]

Ầy, các tàu ngầm em post lên có đủ loại pháo, trong đó có cả đống phóa 45 mm đấy cụ không thấy à ?

Vấn đề câu trả lời nhõn là "phòng không" vứt hết mệ nó main gun đi

 

[pháo BM21 grad]

Vấn đề câu trả lời nhõn là "phòng không" vứt hết mệ nó main gun đi

Cụ nói cũng có lý vào những năm 1907 đến trước thế chiến I thì làm chóa gì có máy bay.

 

[Mannschaft]

Câu hỏi và câu trả lời đây đừng có nhập nhèm K1 với 45 ly. Thời kỳ đầu người ta chưa nghĩ đến kịch bản tàu ngầm vs máy bay. Pháo trên bông mục đích là để đối hạm. Sau WWII máy bay thành chống ngầm chở nên phổ biến nên người ta lắp thêm pháo phòng ko và bây giờ thay thế bằng tên lửa tầm ngắn.
Định vác 100 ly ra tắc bọp ra bắn máy bay thì quả là siêu thiên tài quân sự

anh pót lại nhé

3 Inch 50 Caliber MK21 Deck Gun Cannon
WWII U.S. Submarine Weapons and Armament 1941 - 1945​

The 3 inch 50 caliber Mk 21 (76mm) dual purpose cannon deck gun was standard issue on board many United States Navy Submarines, Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts (DE) during the early stages of World War II. By US Navy standards, it was generally considered to be a defensive weapon designed to be used against aircraft that were far away or very high up, although on a submarine it was primarily employed against enemy surface ships. Mounted on a pedestal either forward or aft of the conning tower, this weapon could fire a 13 lb high explosive projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2,700 feet per second and a maximum range of just over 16,000 yards with a ceiling of 21,500 feet. This gun could elevate to 85° and depress to 10°. Cartridges were packed four to a box, the weight of a full box being about 125 lbs with cartridges weighing approximately 32lbs each. The 3 inch 50 had a watertight tampion for the muzzle and a watertight cover for the breech with stainless steel mechanisms and bore. This weapon could be used with equally deadly effect against both surface and aerial targets.

​

http://www.valoratsea.com/350.htm

 

[Mannschaft]

shuka có pháo 45 mm 21-K hay không thời tự biết này

http://www.submarinesonstamps.co.il/History.aspx?h=236

The Schulka class (Pike) of medium submarines was built in very large numbers and was the subject of steady development through three major types- Series III, Series V (with 3 sub-types) and Series X (with 2 sub-types).This was the first original submarine design and produce in the USSR and remain in constant production, incorporating a steady stream of improvements, from 1929 to 1948.

The construction program was complicated and reflects the difficulties created by the vast geographical spread of the USSR. Thus boats for the Black Sea Fleet were built in the 61-Kummunar and Marti Yards in Nikolayev in the Crimea, and those for the Baltic Fleet by the Marti, Ordzhonikidze and Zhdanov yards in Leningrad. The Marti and Ordzhonikidze yards also fabricated parts which were then shipped to the Far East for assembly by the Dalzavod yard and service with the Pacific Fleet.

All the boats served in the Great Patriotic War and some were quite successful. Some 33 boats were lost during the war and the reminder served on until the 1950s except for 11 Series Xbis which survived into the 1960s.

Specifications, Series III:
Riveted double-hull design, saddle-tank configuration. The hull was divided in to 6 compartments. Reportedly, these boats could only fire two forward tubes in one salvo, as the trim would be altered too radically. If more were fired.

Displacement (srf/sub tons): 578/704
Dimensions (L*B*D feet/meter): 187’0*20’4*12’5/57.0*6.20*3.80
Propulsion: 2*1,370hp 8-cylinders Kolomna diesels, 2*800hp electric motors, 2*40hp electric creeping motors, 2*56 cell batteries, 2 shafts
Speed (srf/sub knots): 11.5/8.5
Range (srf/sub n/miles@knots): 1,350@11.5 or 3,250@8.5/8@8.5 or 110@2.0
Diving depth (feet/meter): 290/90
Complement: 35 officers and crew
Torpedo: 6*21"(533mm) bow torpedo tubes, 2*21" stern torpedo tubes, total of 10 torpedoes
Mines: none
Armament: 1*45mm/46cal. main deck gun, K-21 AA gun (500 rounds)

Construction
Four hulls were built under the III series; Shch-1 Shchuka, Shch-2 Okun, Shch-3 Yorsh and Shch-4 Komsomolets, all by Ordzhonikidze, Leningrad; launched between Dec’1930 to May 1932.

Specifications, Series V/V bis/V bis2:
Many of the shortcomings of the first four boats were addressed in the much more numerous Series V, which had a longer hull, sub-divided into seven compartments and more powerful engines with increased fuel capacity from 25 to 58 tons. Riveted double-hull design, saddle-tank configuration.

Displacement (srf/sub tons): 586/704
Dimensions (L*B*D feet/meter): 191’11*20’4*13’9/58.5*6.20*4.30
Propulsion: 2*1,370hp 8-cylinders Kolomna diesels, 2*800hp electric motors, 2*56 cell KSM-2 batteries, 2 shafts
Speed (srf/sub knots): 12.9/7.0
Range (srf/sub n/miles@knots): 2,200@12.9 or 4,500@8.5/7@7.0 or 100@2.0
Diving depth (feet/meter): 290/90
Complement: 37 officers and crew
Torpedo: 6*21"(533mm) bow torpedo tubes, 2*21" stern torpedo tubes, total of 10 torpedoes
Mines: none
Armament: 1*45mm/46cal. main deck gun, added aft of coning tower in Vbis/ Vbis2-1*45mm/46cal., K-21 AA gun (1000 rounds)

Construction
The Shch-101 through 112 constitute the V Series; the Shch-113 through 120, 201-204, 305 and 308 the Vbis; and the Shch-121 through 125, 205 through 207, and 300 are the Vbis2 Series- a total of some 39 hulls. The Shcs101 through Shcs 112 were prefabricated at the Marti yard, Leningrad; the Shch-113 through Shch-125 were prefabricated at the 61-Kummunar, Nikolayev.

Specifications, Series X/X bis:
The Series X was generally similar to the earlier boats, but with more powerful engines. Endurance was doubled to 40 days and the Series X boats were no longer coastal boats, but had an ocean-going capability. In the Series Xbis the major improvements were concerned with enabling production to be both easier and quicker. Riveted double-hull design, saddle-tank configuration.

Displacement (srf/sub tons): 590/708
Dimensions (L*B*D feet/meter): 192’9*20’4*13’2/58.75*6.20*4.00
Propulsion: 2*1,600hp 8-cylinders Kolomna diesels, 2*800hp electric motors, 2*56 cell KSM-2 batteries, 2 shafts
Speed (srf/sub knots): 1306/8.0
Range (srf/sub n/miles@knots): 1,200@13.6 or 3,650@7.5/8@8.0 or 120@2.5
Diving depth (feet/meter): 290/90
Complement: 38 officers and crew
Torpedo: 6*21"(533mm) bow torpedo tubes, 2*21" stern torpedo tubes, total of 10 torpedoes
Mines: none
Armament: 1*45mm/46cal. main deck gun, 1*45mm/46cal. aft of coning tower, K-21 AA gun (1000 rounds)

 

[pháo BM21 grad]

Tàu ngầm lớp S-class của Liên Xô

Lớp S-class khác với lớp L-class, Lớp S-class là những tàu được xây dựng bởi sư bản vẽ thiết kế của các kỹ sư người Đức. Các tàu S-1, S-2, S-3, được lắp 1 số thiết bị của Đức, các tàu sau này đều lắp thiết bị của LX

Tàu ngầm S-56
Tàu được xây dựng thành 3 loạt:
Loạt IX gồm S-1, S-2, S-3
Loạt IX - bis gồm S-4, S-5, S-6, S-7, S-8, S-9, S-10, S-11, S-12, S-13, S-27, S-28, S-29, S-30, S-31, S-32, S-33, S-34, S-35, S-36, S-37 S-38, S-45, S46, S-51, S-52, S-53, S-54, S-55, S56, S-101, S-102
Trong đó S-27, S-28, S-29, S30 bị hủy bỏ không đóng, các tầu ngầm S-36, S-37, S-38, S-45, S-46 đang đóng thì phải phá hủy để không bị rơi vào tay người Đức
Loạt IX - bis-2 gồm S-14, S-15, S-16, S-17, S-18, S-19, S-20, S-21, S-22, S-23, S-24, S-25, S-26, S-103, S-104
Trong đó S-39 đang đóng thì bị phá hủy để không bị rơi vào tay người Đức
Thông số cơ bản
Choán nước
840 tấn khi nổi
1050 tấn khi lặn
Chiều dài: 77,8 m
Đường kính: 6,4 m
Mớn nước: 4,4 m
Động cơ đẩy: 2 x động cơ diesel (2000 hp )
2 x động cơ điện (550 hp)
2 x trục chân vịt.
Tốc độ: 19,5 hải lý(36 km / h) nổi
9 hải lý (16,7 km / h) lặn
Phạm vi hoạt động: 9800 dặm (10,4 hải lý) nổi
148 dặm (3 hải lý) lặn
Lặn sâu: 100 m
Thủy thủ: 45 người
Cảm biến và hệ thống xử lý:
2 x kính viễn vọng
Hệ thống micro Mars-12
Hệ thống thông tin liên lạc Sirius
Sonar(trên một số tàu thuyền)
Trang bị vũ khí: 6 ống phóng ngư lôi 533 mm
(4 ống phía trước, 2 ống phía sau, tàu mang được 12 ngư lôihttp://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=vi&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSoviets%2Bbiggest%2Bsubmarine%2Bin%2Bworld%2Bwar%2BII&rurl=translate.google.com.vn&sl=en&u=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo&usg=ALkJrhjW65bCEsyTaJwntVwCvX8WPSENhA )
1 pháo 100 mm B-24-2
1 pháo 45 mm 21-k

 

[springsea]

thằng mỹ nó đạp vào mồm xuân hải này
anh pót lại nhé

Đọc hiểu có vấn đề ah? nó ghi rõ là "primarily" nhiệm vụ chính là đối hải. Nếu để phòng ko thì bọn ngu đấy nó sẽ lắp pháo 40 ly semi auto.

Pháo 400 ly cũng được dùng bắn máy bay đóa, haiz. Nghĩ đến cái chính đi đừng lấy cái phụ ra phán nữa.

 

[Mannschaft]

40mm là gì hả xuân hải Bofor 40mm nhỉ

The Bofors 40 mm gun, often referred to simply as the Bofors gun,[1] is an anti-aircraft/multi-purpose autocannon designed in the 1930s by the Swedish arms manufacturer AB Bofors. It was one of the most popular medium-weight anti-aircraft systems during World War II, used by most of the western Allies as well as by the Axis powers. The cannon remains in service (as the main armament in the CV 90) making it both one of the longest-serving and most widespread artillery pieces of all time. Bofors itself has been part of BAE Systems AB since March 2005.

còn câu này trong link anh đưa không đọc à

it was generally considered to be a defensive weapon designed to be used against aircraft that were far away or very high up, although on a submarine it was primarily employed against enemy surface ships.

 

[Mannschaft]

Đọc hiểu có vấn đề ah? nó ghi rõ là "primarily" nhiệm vụ chính là đối hải. Nếu để phòng ko thì bọn ngu đấy nó sẽ lắp pháo 40 ly semi auto.

Pháo 400 ly cũng được dùng bắn máy bay đóa, haiz. Nghĩ đến cái chính đi đừng lấy cái phụ ra phán nữa.

tỷ như con USS barb nhé
1 × 3-inch (76 mm) / 50 caliber deck gun[4]
Bofors 40 mm and Oerlikon 20 mm cannon

cả 76 lẫn 40 hay 20 đều là súng phòng không

hàng lien xô có con shuka kia
đời 1-3 lắp mỗi 21-K
đời 5 giở đi mới lắp thêm 1 khẩu 45 bình thường